Total round things. Simply not true in manchester , liverpool and outlying areas. Even many semis on the periphery next to big employers are only four time single average salary. I know I own some. Easily in compass for 2.5 times joint which was the old metric. Terraces and flats a lot cheaper. . The problem is excessive expectation drummed in by the "rights" not responsiblities culture.Originally Posted by DrPatrickBarry
Last edited by Oracle; 02-04-2019 at 03:04 PM.
"Ah the youth of today. It were different in my time. These young 'uns don't know they're born..."
We did a 12 hour shift and a 25 mile walk home and had brown bread and butter for tea. Thats why we started running. The 25 mile walk took too long.
Now own up. How much of "grumpy old men" do you agree with? You can tell your age by the percentage.
I think I'm about two-thirds your age.
Two years ago the answer was May should have distanced herself from EU intransigence. She should have held an indicative vote in the house: do we accept their ridiculous negotiating order, and we demand as article 50 says that the "future relationship" talks must come first'. SHe would not have been harmed by either decision. By getting votes on all intransigence, it then becomes the rotten EU deal, not hers.
Right now. They dont have the balls for it, but the best decisions are either leave on april 12 and show that EU project fear is groundless. Or rescind A50 with specific intention of vetoing everything brussels enacts. Stating we will remove the Veto when they negotiate. Maggie would have done it.
Sabine Weyand has hinted that "talking the future relationship or investigating border technology" could be used as grounds for an extension, but it will come with a blackmail price. Worse than that, the house has proven it is unable to agree on a future relationship!
I think we have the mythological "buridans ass" in the commons. 600 donkeys in total. They will die of starvation unable to choose a pile of hay to eat from! They will end up with no deal because of incapabilty of voting for anything else , and the blackmail terms for extension I expect to be as onerous as the worst parts of the deal which by logic should be voted down that is Money and backstop. But there is no logic.
Last edited by Oracle; 02-04-2019 at 04:51 PM.
There is only one way forward. Leave without a Withdrawal Agreement but with a commitment to a second referendum in 5 years. F**k EU. They are doomed and they know it. But if we take control of affairs and leave then if EU prospers, we can rejoin at a later date. And I will buy Stolly a pint or 500ml of beer.
You are quite safe with that bet Wheeze: By the time stolly comes to claim it, the EU will have hjiacked the registered name "beer" just out of spite, and it will be illegal to sell other than their version of watered down french p!ss named "beer" recycled from the vinegar lake, so stolly will no longer want it in mm or pints.
Last edited by Oracle; 02-04-2019 at 07:38 PM.
The New York Times nails it ‘the United Kingdon has gone mad’ https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/02/o...exit-news.html
Any way of reading the full article, without subscribing?
Don't know how I managed it but I can read it now. Love these paragraphs.
"The entire Brexit choice was presented to the public in 2016 with utterly misleading simplicity. It was sold with a pack of lies about both the size of the benefits and the ease of implementation, and it continues to be pushed by Conservative hard-liners who used to care about business but are now obsessed with restoring Britain’s “sovereignty” over any economic considerations."
It’s [the UK] being led by a ship of fools — a Conservative Party bloc that is now radical in its obsession with leaving Europe and a Labour Party that has gone Marxist. If the people here can’t force their politicians to compromise with one another and with reality (there’s still a glimmer of hope that this might happen), there is going to be a crackup of the British political system and some serious economic pain. This is scary.
Last edited by DrPatrickBarry; 03-04-2019 at 09:57 AM.
Another 'simplified politics' post from me...
Everything i hear about Brexit is talking about the impact on the economy, and i am well aware how vital this is to the country (i have an Economics A-level in my distant past).
But what is to say the other points are not just as relevant (sovereignty if you want to give it the common name).
To me the economy in this country just can't continue to expand. The country is 'full' and i mean that in terms of infrastructure, rather than immigration/population numbers.
Have people outside London ever tried to negotiate the nations roads or railways on a daily basis. We as a nation keep adding more economy, more business, more housing estates, without improving the infrastructure of the nation (communications, transport, railways, services).
Gridlock every day... a massive rise in homelessness... litter and pollution everywhere...
If we continue to look at everything in terms of maximising economic return (which appears to be the main focus of the remain view - rightly or wrongly) the country will continue to fail to cope whether we are in or out of the EU.
Posting Permissions
Reply With Quote