Brexit

[noel]

We may now see a future Government look at this and actually put in to law a procedure and parameters for prorogation.

Is it even needed? Now that the judgement has been given, no-one would it again.

[GeoffB]

Judges overrule the people, democracy is dead!

I'm sorry, where exactly did the judges overrule the people? All I'm aware of is that the Supreme Court overruled Johnson.

Second what Noel said...

[Muddy Retriever]

Spot on Noel - well said!!

Justice prevails - democracy actual exists for once

edit: just for the record (not interested in any more insults or personal attacks thank you very much) I have been thinking about this whole situation and my instinct tells me that Article 50 is going to end up being revoked, we will stay as things are, this whole thing will have been one big money making farce!

I’m not interested in insults or personal attacks either. But I would contest your view that democracy is existing especially when you think that article 50 will be revoked. In fact I agree that this is what a majority in this parliament want. But not sure how that is consistent with democracy. The reverse I would say.

[Witton Park]

Is it even needed? Now that the judgement has been given, no-one would it again.

The judgement still leaves a lot unanswered.

The Government wants to give a Queen's Speech.

How long can the prorogue? 5 weeks has been deemed too much. If they Prorogue tomorrow and reopen on 7th October is that allowed? Will there be a further legal challenge?

[DangerMouse]

I am all for respectful discussion and disagreement Muddy Retriever!!

When the discussion resorts to insults and ridicule the offending party has already lost and there is nothing more to discuss, it's a waste of time and I won't lower myself to that level, I've done it before and it never ends well, this is why I left this discussion earlier.

Questions and challenges in the manner you raised them are 100% welcome and good - thank you

I understand perfectly that the vote was to leave and that many people see the only way democracy can be honoured is to fulfil that objective and leave - as the people asked for.

Unfortunately, I challenge the very premise on which this result was achieved, it was based on lies and misrepresentation. Now the truth, or at least something more akin to the truth, is more readily accessible, I feel that if the public were asked again the result would be quite different.

I firmly believe that democracy was not honoured in the referendum in the first place, everything that has happened since is all based on a false premise.

I am more than happy for us to respectfully disagree - that's okay - good even

[Muddy Retriever]

Unfortunately, I challenge the very premise on which this result was achieved, it was based on lies and misrepresentation. Now the truth, or at least something more akin to the truth, is more readily accessible, I feel that if the public were asked again the result would be quite different.

I firmly believe that democracy was not honoured in the referendum in the first place, everything that has happened since is all based on a false premise.
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I’ve never known an election where both sides didn’t lie to some extent. For example in the 2005 campaign Gordon Brown said that the Tories planned to cut public expenditure. This wasn’t true, they had pledged to increase it but just not as much as Labour were promising. It was a lie but did that invalidate the 2005 election result?

In the referendum the Remain side were just as disingenuous as Leave if not more so. Remember the 500k to 800k job loss prediction that would happen if we simply voted to Leave?

[DangerMouse]

Absolutely - I totally agree!

But two wrongs don't make a right!

I think I have mentioned this before, on a deeper level I think our system of government is fundamentally broken and we are in desperate need for reform.

[bigfella]

I'm sorry, where exactly did the judges overrule the people? All I'm aware of is that the Supreme Court overruled Johnson.

Second what Noel said...

Johnson is simply trying to implement the result of the referendum which the government seem intent on overturning, the courts are assisting them to that end.

[Llani Boy]

Soubry,Corbyn,Abbot,Sturgeon,Swinson,McDonnell, Miller and their remainer pals all say they believe in democracy but refuse to accept the result of one of the,if not the, biggest democratic votes this country has ever had.
Hypocrites the lot of them.

[Muddy Retriever]

Absolutely - I totally agree!

But two wrongs don't make a right!

So what would be the point of another referendum. If the losing side gets to demand a rerun by saying the other side lied? That could go on for ever.

The truth is that a hardcore of remainers don’t want another referendum because they think Leave lied. They want it because they didn’t get their way and want to reverse the outcome. Indeed the Libdems don’t even want the inconvenience of a referendum any more. A straight forward revocation will do now.