Brexit

[noel]

Soubry,Corbyn,Abbot,Sturgeon,Swinson,McDonnell, Miller and their remainer pals all say they believe in democracy but refuse to accept the result of one of the,if not the, biggest democratic votes this country has ever had.
Hypocrites the lot of them.

Certainly one of the biggest, definitely not the biggest. Apparently you should go with “the largest mandate for anything in British political history”.

https://fullfact.org/europe/eu-refer...atic-exercise/

As you were.

[DangerMouse]

Heheh yep - hence my assertion that our systems are broken - it's clearly not working is it

I don't know what the answer is, I just know it's not this because I only feel profound embarrassment - I keep apologising to all my friends around the world.

Like it or not, the general consensus is that we as a nation are a laughing-stock - well that combined with shock and dismay. Maybe this says more about myself and my friends, but I am not hearing anyone saying anything else.

I guess there will be some European folk celebrating us leaving thinking it is a fantastic idea, maybe?

[DrPatrickBarry]

I would love to contribute to this thread, but I have lost the will to argue or even say anything at all.

[Witton Park]

Unfortunately, I challenge the very premise on which this result was achieved, it was based on lies and misrepresentation.

Correct. Leave would have won by more but for the lies and misrepresentation from the Remain side, especially the Treasury.

[DangerMouse]

I am quite sure I don't need to say this, as it is abundantly clear, but I respectfully assert that this misquotation is in no way representative of what I believe or my intention when I wrote it.

I have long been uncertain what my position is, I tend towards remain but there is so much uncertainty, but if you are a good representation of the kind of people who want to leave WP, you're doing an excellent job of convincing me to be a solid remainer!

Thank you

[Witton Park]

I am quite sure I don't need to say this, as it is abundantly clear, but I respectfully assert that this misquotation is in no way representative of what I believe or my intention when I wrote it.

I have long been uncertain what my position is, I tend towards remain but there is so much uncertainty, but if you are a good representation of the kind of people who want to leave WP, you're doing an excellent job of convincing me to be a solid remainer!

Thank you

I quoted you verbatim. I may have done it in such a way to distort the context and of course I was being playful, but there's one of the problems we face now day to day and we have to manage this as it happens all over the internet.

Liam Fox is often quoted as saying "....this would be the easiest trade deal in history..." but he actually said "should" and that makes a world of difference.

Owen Patterson is often quoted as saying that of course we would never leave the Single Market and there is a 3-4 second snippet often used in Remain montages saying that.
In the 6 minute interview on Sky News, he said we would leave the Single Market several times, but that would not mean we would be leaving the market entirely, and that we would still trade with the EU.

Looking at the campaign I like to think I can disseminate what was accurate, what was let's say stretched and what is a complete whopper.
Not everyone feels able to of course, but that goes for politics generally.

You have to be careful as opinions are voiced during the campaign on all sides. An opinion might be wrong at the time, might be proven to be incorrect in the future, but at the time it could be held and communicated in good faith.

I look back at both sides of the referendum and identify issues with both sides that I disagreed with, or technical points particularly on trade matters where I contested the points made by both leave and remain campaigners, because I have a background there and could see they were not as well briefed as they might have been.
I'm not sure you can see both sides. Certainly others that take your position struggle in that respect, as only campaigning positions taken by the leave side seem to be called in to question.

[Mike T]

Plenty disagree with the court decision.
The Lord Chief Justice and the Master of the Rolls for example.
Even Lord Sumption, a now retired Supreme Court Judge on Radio 4 this morning thought tthey had made an error.
It was a decision that nobody saw coming.
It has made new law.

There are some unusual inconsistences in the judgement as highlighted by some of the pieces written and comments made.

Paragraph 58 the judges advise they are not interested in the PM's motives.

Paragraph 61 they advise that they cannot find a good reason to prorogue.

That sounds like a judgement on motive.

Para 58 - distinguishes between motive and reason.

Para 61 - they could not find any evidence that a reason was given.

So not contradictory.

[Mike T]

It seems like a no-brainer to me. If the PM can shut down parliament whenever he/she wants, this is a route to effectively remove them from the process of running the country. I don't think that should be allowed.

It's interesting that people are seeing this through largely partisan brexit-or not eyes. I can only imagine how offended you would be WP if Jeremy Corbyn were trying to remove parliament from the process while trying to achieve some aims with which you didn't approve.

"Like"

[Stagger]

Labour voters should be ashamed of their party.
The opposition daren't call a vote of no confidence to trigger a general election.
Is Corbyn the worst labour leader ever?

Says a lot when Boris the numpty isn't challenge.

[GeoffB]

...but if you are a good representation of the kind of people who want to leave WP, you're doing an excellent job of convincing me to be a solid remainer!

Thank you

Haha! Absolutely - that's exactly how I've felt for the past three years. Reading the posts on this Forum have just made me even more convinced.