Paid Rounds

[Oracle]

A bit of a thread resurrection.

In line with members' wishes we've now decided that paid/guided Rounds will no longer be acceptable for Club membership. The Club website has now been updated with the following:

Over the last few years some companies have been advertising guided rounds to which there has been growing disquiet and opposition from the vast majority of members of the Club. The Club has existed since 1971: learning the round, helping on attempts and then doing your own Round takes effort, which is what gives membership of the Club value and makes the Club unique. It is the wishes of the Club’s members that this ethos and tradition continue.

As of 1st January 2020, the Bob Graham Club will no longer ratify paid/guided rounds and those who choose to use professional services of companies offering guided rounds will no longer be eligible to join the Bob Graham Club.

You do love your non sequiturs.

The idea that " learning the round, helping on attempts, and doing your own round" Is somehow alternative to paid rounds is a non sequitur, it does not follow.. apples compared with oranges.

Guiding paid rounds ( for which the guides have done all of the above)
Using paid guides ( I will wager almost all the contenders have already done the above to some degree, and simply being outside the network because of geography or association gives constraints which are the reason to use paid guides,

In converse some do the round with free help who simply cannot learn it or help because of geography, so fail your ethos test. Like kilian.

So the ethos has sweet f/a to do with paid rounds or not. More than a few embers fail your ethos as you define it.

Indeed I could but (will not on principle ) cite a number of members who took advantage of help on the round, lifted not a finger to help others , nor tried to learn the route at all, let alone properly. How do I know? I helped them round and was somewhat appalled at the lack of reciprocation, regretting having helped in at least 2 cases, Yet they are seemingly still eligible whilst not engaging the ethos you claim.

The latest being kilian, who maybe in all your reckoning a nice chap, he probably is. he certainly didn't meet the criteria you just defined.
The loose club of assorted helpers has turned out for other celebrities who had no prospect of meeting your ethos either, Indeed I turned out for one.

The idea that as some kind of retribution that those who use paid guides then become ineligible to join , which appears to mean even if they then do it again with friends sometime later they are ineligible, The difference being what?

So do you intend to check that all members have previously supported others to ensure your ethos is complied? You may be in for a surprise.

A small minded decision of the kind that are stock In trade of blazers
Rules for the sake of rules.
The ruin of all amateur athletics. That gives athletics a bad name.

Your club , your rules. But don't pretend they gave anything to do with ethos