Brexit

[Dave_Mole]

Well I hadn't encountered the reference to Martin Amis before - not being a regular Guardian reader - therefore I looked it up and so thank you.

I'm not a regular Guardian reader either, the quote was from an essay in "The Rub of Time: Bellow, Nabokov, Hitchens, Travolta, Trump. Essays and Reportage, 1994-2016". Some good essays in there....

[Oracle]

Really? I don't recognise that reference but if you kindly enlighten me and you are correct I will,of course,defer.

You were somewhat amused at the obvious truth in how I replied - so I presume you accepted the reasoning? It was the “ paid rounds “ thread

[Oracle]

One other: By most reckoning there was a majority for boris’s deal.
It is why Bercow and letwin prevented it voting.

And that is why parliament and the speaker must go.

Labours ( and clearly Bercows) stated intention is derailing it not scrutinising it.
It no longer serves other than petty party politics.

We need statesmen not superannuated student protesters, who think their rights trump their obligations or responsibilities to society: the Glastonbury generation.


If as is likely we enter a period of low majority or coalition government, a partisan speaker intent on destruction of the constitution , so assuming the power but not accountability of government cannot be allowed. Such power must never be allowed in the hands of one man again.

If the speaker ever makes a controversial decision, there must be a right of appeal by reference to erskine. And the clear plotting of such as grieve in the speakers chamber or indeed by Bercow with EU must also be banned.
Any material conversations with a speaker must now be witnessed as for example is a judge in chambers by both parties. Bercow cannot be trusted.

His doing impressions in the chamber yesterday as a third rate comedian was a disgrace to his office. He should face a charge of bringing the house into disrepute.

By the way Stolly.

In case you haven't noticed, we have a Commons that cannot agree with itself. It has apart from Brady, so far only managed to find majorities for what it doesn't want on Brexit.

Any referendum bill has to pass the Commons. A minority want it, and even amongst that minority, there is unlikely to be any agreement on what the question would be.

So the only route to a referendum is via a General Election.

[Wheeze]

I guess we should add Bercowing to a list of adjectives like Gerrymandering that describe the unsubtle manipulation of Parliamentary process.

[Oracle]

I guess we should add Bercowing to a list of adjectives like Gerrymandering that describe the unsubtle manipulation of Parliamentary process.

nice one.
I gather he is on a charge of bullying and harassment, so his meal ticket to the Lords may be blocked.

[Graham Breeze]

You were somewhat amused at the obvious truth in how I replied - so I presume you accepted the reasoning? It was the “ paid rounds “ thread

Thank you. I have re-read the thread. (And I can justify why, at the time, the FRA Committee took the action it did on non-registered races).

AFWIIWorth...I think your posts are always worth reading. Perhaps polemical but preferable to pap and pomposity.

[Graham Breeze]

I'm not a regular Guardian reader either, the quote was from an essay in "The Rub of Time: Bellow, Nabokov, Hitchens, Travolta, Trump. Essays and Reportage, 1994-2016". Some good essays in there....

Accordingly I have reserved it from my local library - which is currently closed because of industrial action against library cut backs.

[Stolly]

Noted you could find not a single arguable point in my post

Haha that’s only because I couldn’t be arsed to read it 😊

[Dave_Mole]

Haha that’s only because I couldn’t be arsed to read it

and is easy to refute by anyone with access to Google and half a brain.

[Wheeze]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myWaa6xvPZ4