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  1. #2341
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    yup. Puerile post.

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    When the EU decided to force Northern Ireland under its law for eternity
    it didn't

    stealing a nations sovereignty
    eternal theft of NI sovereignty
    NI is a devolved part of the UK.

    the backstop, It was imposed
    EU refused to move on it
    EU refused to negotiate it
    it wasn't



    negotiations about how to deal with the border between the EU and UK, post-Brexit, were going on before the referendum. These were between the UK and Republic of Ireland. Guidelines were published in 2017 and the EU declared that "it is the responsibility of the UK to propose solutions for the post-Brexit Irish border".

    The in the Withdraw Agreement, the UK stated that its intention was "....to achieve these objectives through the overall EU-UK relationship. Should this not be possible, the United Kingdom will propose specific solutions to address the unique circumstances of the island of Ireland. In the absence of agreed solutions, the United Kingdom will maintain full alignment with those rules of the Internal Market and the Customs Union which, now or in the future, support North-South cooperation, the all island economy and the protection of the 1998 Agreement".

    In November 2018, the Cabinet approved a draft withdrawal agreement with the EU which included an agreement that the UK and the EU customs territories would operate as one until the parties agree jointly that a mutually satisfactory alternative arrangement has been reached. Article 2 and article 20 provide ways to limit the backstop. Article 2(2) of the protocol states that it is a temporary measure.

    The Irish government are keen on some sort of backstop, the absence of which was described as be "akin to a 'blockade' of the Northern economy".

    All of which was replaced by Johnson's "border down the sea" earlier this month. In negotiation with the EU.

    Throughout the process the EU have been clear that the "border" between NI and the Republic was the UKs responsibility and that the UK must come up with solutions to the issue.




    You like redefining things on your own terms, don't you?
    Words you don't like, bits of history you don't like?

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    PPP Mr mole.

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    Does it matter that the vast majority of people in N.I. wanted the backstop to preserve the very integrated all-Ireland economy?

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    you're also fixated on the statement
    "death of a nation state”
    which reflects your ignorance of the wider issue. Perhaps if you actually read about this, rather than repeat a quote which, to misquote Inigo Montoya, "does not mean what you think it means" you might look a little less foolish.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/marklya.../#1f2528b521dc

    https://medium.com/@troycamplin/the-...e-2c4db0d64ded

    https://www.ft.com/content/3c14ccee-...1-00144feab7de

    https://scholarship.law.berkeley.edu...9&context=bjil

    Your constant reference to "sovereignty", "annexation", "the nation state" makes you sound a bit nationalistic.
    Last edited by Dave_Mole; 24-10-2019 at 03:27 PM.

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    Does it matter that the vast majority of people in N.I. wanted the backstop to preserve the very integrated all-Ireland economy?
    and now the government are being warned about civil disorder and political stability in NI....

    Johnson knew this would be the outcome and decided to ignore it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave_Mole View Post
    and now the government are being warned about civil disorder and political stability in NI....

    Johnson knew this would be the outcome and decided to ignore it.
    that's a fact is it
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    that's a fact is it
    judge for yourself:

    https://www.buzzfeed.com/albertonard...bfsharetwitter

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a9167651.html

    https://www.euronews.com/2019/10/24/...-border-checks

    assuming you have the evaluative capacity to make some sort of judgement about it.
    Last edited by Dave_Mole; 24-10-2019 at 03:24 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave_Mole View Post
    assuming you have the evaluative capacity to make some sort of judgement about it.
    Another insult. Why can't you make your points without resorting to them? I suppose we should be grateful it wasn't as vicious as your last one.

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