Now don't tease CL!Originally Posted by CL
I suggest we now all agree that the best outcome from the forthcoming election is a thumping majority for Boris and chums, the annihilation of all the loony parties: labour, liberals, SNP and worse and then we can all live happily ever after in tranquillity,harmony and comfort only having to worry about which shoes are the best for the Three Peaks Race.
The test I set is that it doesn't tie the hands of future Governments.
Mrs May's did, because it gave the EU too much control over the process.
I don't like the Northern Ireland solution. It isn't needed. However politics in NI means that a political fudge was always going to trump a pragmatic solution.
So whilst it wouldn't be my ideal method of disengaging, it seems to be passable.
Richard Taylor
"William Tell could take an apple off your head. Taylor could take out a processed pea."
Sid Waddell
To the dulcet tones of John Lennon imagining impossible happily ever after!
In answer to CL , I actually think Myagi of karate kid has the answer as he does on most deep philosophy.
If left side of road safe. If right side of road safe. If in middle “ squish” like grape : to be out we must remove all EU leverage which will be weaponised by them.
Boris deal is better than mays , because of trade, but is still partly one leg in the road. But I would not even deal with an organisation that thought either the backstop, 39 billion or the negotiate order were a step in a negotiation
I would walk away
Now don't tease CL!
I suggest we now all agree that the best outcome from the forthcoming election is a thumping majority for Boris and chums, the annihilation of all the loony parties: labour, liberals, SNP and worse and then we can all live happily ever after in tranquillity,harmony and comfort only having to worry about which shoes are the best for the Three Peaks Race.
His negotiating position had been undermined by parliamentary shenanigans such as the Surrender Act so I think Boris did very well to get the deal he did. We were told that the EU would not reopen the Withdrawal agreement but they did, that they would not remove the backstop but again they did.
Assuming the deal ever gets through Parliament, the UK will not be in the Customs Union, which is a big plus in my eyes. Also the so called level playing field provisions, which would have kept the UK tied into EU regulations have been removed from the binding Withdrawal Agreement to the non-binding Political Declaration. Such vague fair competition commitments are apparently common in free-trade deals. i think the UK will be able to diverge.
The deal isn't perfect and I can see why the DUP aren't happy. It is a fudge on Northern Ireland as WP says. But the deal is definitely not BRINO.
I suspect you're not convinced however CL. Will Nigel still be getting your vote?
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It wouldn't surprise me if we end up roughly back where we are now. I can see the Tories still being the largest party but having no overall majority, more LibDem's and SNP MP's and less Labour.Now don't tease CL!
I suggest we now all agree that the best outcome from the forthcoming election is a thumping majority for Boris and chums, the annihilation of all the loony parties: labour, liberals, SNP and worse and then we can all live happily ever after in tranquillity,harmony and comfort only having to worry about which shoes are the best for the Three Peaks Race.
But it's worth trying to break the impasse at least, it couldn't carry on as it was.
I agree. For me the big factor is whether the Brexit party will take a substantial number of former Conservative votes. If not, then I predict a reasonable Tory majority and Boris will be able to pass the deal.
I'm also interested to see how Corbyn does. If you remember Labour experienced a slight increase in support throughout the last election campaign. But perhaps that was partly down to the lack of charisma and political nouse from May.
I forcast the Labour voters in the heartlands of northern England will rebell and vote Brexit as most of the North wants this.
Ah but then he was the new kid in town with little history but now voters have seen what an incompetent, spineless, hypocritical, dim and useless joke he is as Labour leader - even on a good day.
The best comment I heard about Corbyn's chances this time (following his unexpectedly good result in 2017), was that expecting him to do well again would be like expecting a soufflé to rise twice.
I think the May effect is more relevant than a particular appeal of Corbyn. She ducked interviews and had the worst Tory manifesto in my lifetime.
The Dementia Tax as it was called, and the move to means testing winter fuel payments were huge own goals.
But I also think Corbyn escaped real scrutiny as the GE back then was seen to a question about how big Mrs May's majority would be. He wasn't considered a potential PM.
In this campaign he will be scrutinised much more.
Then of course Labour still retained most of the votes of it's Leave voters - supposedly 5 million of them.
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Sid Waddell
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