Same for a returnee from Aus that I know of.
Same for a returnee from Aus that I know of.
Today's Heathrow arrivals include a wide selection... Dallas, Miami, Atlanta, New York, Singapore, Doha, Kuala Lumpur, Seoul, Barcelona, Rome, Santiago, Sao Paulo, Tokyo.
But poor old Doris and her dog and her two walks a day..!
You dont give people much credit do you travs?
Boris is taking his advice from people eminently qualified to give it.
The chief medical officer and chief scientific officer will have looked at this and concluded that the additional exposure and protection it affords if any is minimal. The necessity of freight getting through is paramount. Provided of course that those returning home (they largely are repatriations of brits abroad) are indeed social distancing as we are all decreed to do.
You appear to think they have not even thought of it.
There is too much second guessing.
I admit to believing that are response was wrong, that it was already prevalent much sooner, and we should have locked down over 70s and vulnerable, let it burn out in the general population.
But I am happy to accept those in charge have a plan and are sticking to it, the problem has been people are not. We owe to those in charge to keep to the plan.
I am also uneasy about the attitude of country folk rather than government. The lakes and wales clearly have infrastucture capable of supporting 5 times the number of people generally there in March. So people leaving areas which are 1 million people to a square mile, with empty supermarkets, to head to those with population only 10000 per square mile with at least some stuff in shopes is clearly increasing average social distance and averaging pressure on resources. Indeed, averaging the numbers exercising in the same places needs evening up. So more on lakes hills and less in london parks is clearly better social distance. The hills do not belong to the locals. They belong to all.
They are not as they are branded "covidiots" other than the ones gathering in groups in parks and on bondai beach!
But even that has a cautionary tale. Having once lived in a windowless box in London, and suffered with depression because of lack of sunlight, you survive mentally by spending time in the green spaces. The police moving people on for sunbathing in parks who were social distancing is my view unreasonable, unless we want a stream of suicides.
Those living alone, now with loss of job, who cannot buy stuff, because of lack of money , who cannot socialise and not allowed out of the windowless boxes even to sit in a park, will end up taking an "easy way out" because of no hope.
For all that, In my view all should go with the advice and stop questioning all the decisions as though the ones in charge were idiots.
hey are not. If stopping the flights helped, and if there were not an obligation to allow UK residents to return, and if the flights carried no useful freight they would have stopped them long ago. How do people think the 1000000 face masks we need will arrive? Answer. on one of the planes he criticises! Rather than wait for a month for a ship to come from china.
None of this is simple.
Originally Posted by Travs
Today's Heathrow arrivals include a wide selection... Dallas, Miami, Atlanta, New York, Singapore, Doha, Kuala Lumpur, Seoul, Barcelona, Rome, Santiago, Sao Paulo, Tokyo.
But poor old Doris and her dog and her two walks a day..!
Last edited by Oracle; 25-03-2020 at 12:43 PM.
I actually think the government have taken far too much criticism... this is something unprecedented, and i'm not sure any government would be able to cope any better...
However there's two personal reports on the last half page where people are effectively walking off planes from far horizons, without so much as a test. Given the restrictions the general public are living under (which I happen to believe aren't actually that bad considering), you'd think airport health/security would be number one priority.
Let me make three assumptions, I cannot prove.
1/ That if they were symptomatic, they would not have been allowed on the plane (certainly true in Lisbon I just came from)
2/ They are assymptomatic brits who are repatriating, and are at no greater or lesser risk of having the disease than any of those already here
3/ That on arrival they will obey the social distance rules
If 1/ to 3/ are true. Why would they be any greater risk than any brit already here?
I have no idea what the CMO and CSO are thinking, but I am guessing the above is not far off. Apart from the need to maintain some airtraffic because of express freight
This article is probably wishful thinking.
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/...s-coronavirus-
Apparently an Oxford study has suggested that a large chunk of the population may already have been infected by the virus but are showing no symptoms. If true it would mean that it would now be absolutely pointless trying to suppress it at huge economic cost but also that the virus was much less deadly than feared. A study of a village in Italy came to a similar conclusion.
I have to say I have my doubts, wouldn't the Italian outbreak be showing more signs of slowing down by now if true?
Quite possibly correct...
But then the UK authorities would appear to be making a huge assumption, that their counterparts in the countries where the flights originate from are doing their job properly...
Who knows.
I am not sure banana republics exist in the aviaton world now.
Every airline is seriously worried about exposure to staff.
So go in the airports here and abroad and a lot of measures are being used to reduce contact and keep distance with staff. On the flights themselves services are scaled back to minimise staff contact. No magazines are in flight pockets so multiple passengers dont touch them. The planes stink of alcohol or whatever it is they are using to clean them. The flights themselves are almost empty.
The police are manning barriers at Lisbon airport, so only passengers are allowed in, and only then a short time before flights, most of the amenities are shut. Social distance is maintained in all queues. Even stuff is not being taken out of bags, to avoid handling at scanners. The airports are hosting so few flights they are ghost towns.
I actually felt safer on distancing in the airport than I do on my supermarket trips!
Last edited by Oracle; 25-03-2020 at 01:35 PM.
It’s certainly true in the community I was with abroad, also where I am now uk, that the prevalence amongst those I know makes even upper estimates way low on probability, it is likely far more prevalent, I think because nobody had recognised that the symptoms can be mild to none, and the high fever all symptom statements stated for the first month is only true of a small proportion. Most that get it can’t be certain.
So locking down those at risk would be better than trashing an economy.
Italy clearly has a problem,
There is believed to be a mutant strain.
Italy’s death reporting I believe is more likely to state CV than other preexistent cause, as they would in other countries.
But also Italy’s population is old and destitute. Their patient age is higher.
It never recovered from 2008.
And the austerity forced by the euro has made much of the younger generation leave.
I kept pointing the Italy devastation caused by EU eternal austerity and debt in the brexit debate. Remainers didn't want to hear it.
So Why did it die down in China at only 80000 out of population billion plus when they were very late in building a wall round wuhan? A large number will have left before lockdown. It defies common sense it was mainly contained in china.
We will find out in time..
Last edited by Oracle; 25-03-2020 at 03:40 PM.
A revealing typo in today's Loughborough Echo: "Corvid 19". So the virus came from crows, not bats at some Chinese market.
