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    Quote Originally Posted by Muddy Retriever View Post
    So why did Northen Rock (and others) collapse?
    Their printing press ran out of ink
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    Quote Originally Posted by Muddy Retriever View Post
    So why did Northen Rock (and others) collapse?
    For the obvious reason bank liquidity is so thin, any amount of default keels the banks. With the securitisation of loan book, that process was put on steroids.

    We ain’t seen nothing yet, worlds governments dumping the problem on private sector and banks, as though shutting the economy ever made sense, will see most banks insolvent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Muddy Retriever View Post
    So why did Northen Rock (and others) collapse?
    They invested in non viable mortgages and financial products - property was over-valued, mortgages of too high a % of the property value were given to people who never had a hope of paying them back, and these doomed mortgages were converted into a "fool proof" investment. Too much of Northern Rock's business was based on mortgages.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike T View Post
    They invested in non viable mortgages and financial products - property was over-valued, mortgages of too high a % of the property value were given to people who never had a hope of paying them back, and these doomed mortgages were converted into a "fool proof" investment. Too much of Northern Rock's business was based on mortgages.
    Or to put in in straight forward terms, they took the deposits of their savers, and instead of lending on responsible and safe terms, they gambled with their savers money.

    They didn't print money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike T View Post
    They invested in non viable mortgages and financial products - property was over-valued, mortgages of too high a % of the property value were given to people who never had a hope of paying them back, and these doomed mortgages were converted into a "fool proof" investment. Too much of Northern Rock's business was based on mortgages.
    But Mike, I'm confused. You said this yesterday:

    "No need to borrow, just print it - this is how we buy houses - the money is created by the bank/building society - it does not come from the savings of the bank's customers - as long as inflation does not "ramp up' - I hate that expression - it is not an issue."

    So if the bank has just created this money out of thin air to lend in the first place, why is it a big problem if they don't get paid back? Why do we ever need to bail the banks out, they can just create more money, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muddy Retriever View Post
    But Mike, I'm confused. You said this yesterday:

    "No need to borrow, just print it - this is how we buy houses - the money is created by the bank/building society - it does not come from the savings of the bank's customers - as long as inflation does not "ramp up' - I hate that expression - it is not an issue."

    So if the bank has just created this money out of thin air to lend in the first place, why is it a big problem if they don't get paid back? Why do we ever need to bail the banks out, they can just create more money, right?
    The money printing trick only works with strict controls/conditions. If you don't have to pay the bank back it does not matter what you paid for the house - property prices would be infinite in no time.
    After a war there is usually a very limited supply of goods and workers - if you print money prices shoot up - big mistake. If interest rates are low and a country needs basic infrastructure, printing money can improve the economy generally without significant inflation. We have wasted 10 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike T View Post
    If interest rates are low and a country needs basic infrastructure, printing money can improve the economy generally without significant inflation. We have wasted 10 years.
    Out of interest, where has printing money to fiance spending (as opposed to QE) been tried and worked and not ended up causing inflation?

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    Will the general public ever get tested for the virus?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muddy Retriever View Post
    Out of interest, where has printing money to fiance spending (as opposed to QE) been tried and worked and not ended up causing inflation?
    From Ann Pettifor's "The production of Money" - pages 16 -22: ...a loan to AIG of $85 billion ...it was transferred in just an instant after all 11 numbers had been tapped into the computer ... It is what banks do every day ... the spending is created out of thin air ... savings do not fund ... if well managed, there need never be a shortage of money for society's most urgent projects.

    Peston, in WTF, calls QE creating money, just to show that some economists think that way - the sum? £535 billion in 2009 - yes, billion.

    I would strongly recommend Pettifor's book.

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