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    It seems you create a fiction Boris to suit your opinion, like the press,
    The real one is a social liberal, economically conservative free marketer, left of David Cameron, and a staunch opponent of what the EU has become. Indeed he was an (anti) EU correspondent for years.
    So No doubt about his opinions. Other than fiction in a hostile press.


    He is also deep thinker. I’ve spent time taking to him,
    He is a good at choosing able managers and let them get on with it, which is how he became the most popular London mayor. Also a good leader who radiates enthusiasm.


    As for your criticism of perceived indecision: dobbins law applies to you.
    Everything is easy for him that does not have to do it

    He is being given polar opposite advice by medics who are more interested in showboating in press than helping with covid, and unions intent on settling old score. Some countries shut down earlier , some shut down later. Some shut down not at all, like Sweden, so your comparison with Italy is one in Many. Portugal was far more lax than U.K. so theories on what matters are guesswork.

    Boris is in uncharted waters.
    Give him a break.

    He has three problems. 1/ managing a health crisis 2/ avoiding a greater cost of life in economic destruction 3/ surviving an army of critics , none of whom have ever had to manage such a crisis, so all of their criticisms are cheapshots.

    In short :If you believe you could have done better it is based on hindsight or arrogance.

    Quote Originally Posted by CL View Post
    As for Boris he's out of his depth and I don't just say that because of Covid. Witton had it right when he said the government looked inept at times and put it down to them having to change position to suit everyone.

    But the thing is groups only play the government off because the Tory's have no principles. What the hell does Boris believe in? Nobody has a clue. Does he believe in Brexit? I have no idea I'm just hoping for the best and expecting the worst. This is it with middle of the road politics. You can be easily run over when you sit in the middle of the road. Any old banger can bump into you and force you to move.

    P.S I wish him well.
    Last edited by Oracle; 20-06-2020 at 10:11 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Graham Breeze View Post
    More or Less also reported that Spain was now quite blatantly using a narrow window definition for counting deaths and so was significantly undercounting - but then who has believed the propaganda on deaths propounded by governments?
    UK deaths: the official 42,500 odd, or the 65,000+ excess deaths?

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    So corona was a pin that burst a bubble, but what will bring the banks crashing down?

    Here’s an acronym you have yet to hear: CLO.

    What brought the system to its knees in 2008 was sub prime collateral mortgages, Packaged as safe investments, CMO then derivatives and insurances are taken on those which multiplied risk till the card tower collapsed.

    Same problem is building with loans to businesses repackaged as CLO. These have existed for years, but all have become sub prime. Since unfairly corona has been completely dumped on business , with public sector paying not a penny, now banks are now being ordered to finance the unfinancable with new lending to add insult to injury.

    If I were a bank I would not do it. Governments must. These big packages of loans will mostly default: even prudent lending from past years has been destroyed by corona shutdown.. Derivitization and confidence runs on banks will do the rest.

    Watch this space.
    Last edited by Oracle; 20-06-2020 at 04:41 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fellbeast View Post
    Well here’s one hot off the press https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...s-in-18-months
    Thank you, I did quick google but didn't find that. Apologies if I sounded disbelieving, I don't have much (any) respect for Cummings so I suppose I wanted to believe it was true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CL View Post
    He wanted to go North to get away from London for a break. That's it.'
    You are welcome to believe what you will. It’s a free country. But that belief about Cummings has no connection with the truth whatsoever.

    And that’s the problem: Cummings was guilty in many eyes before the evidence was presented, let alone before the judge spoke.

    You are normally more objective than that CL.

    But pure invention about Cummings is not new.

    Before that - and affecting his decision, He was falsely alleged to have opposed lockdown by the press ( he didn’t) net result he had many lockdown breaking protesters outside his front door and a lockdown breaking media scrum, with police unwilling to enforce the law, in their cases.

    Threatening behaviour from protesters did have a hand in the decision his wife - primarily -and he took when she became symptomatic,they had to isolate and he had a boss in intensive care. He and his family were being threatened on the door step, and he had kids that may have needed others to look after them, if they too had gone in intensive care. The rest is history.

    But no doubt, you don’t like Cummings so you are happy to believe he opposed lockdown too.

    The problem is media no longer report on the story , all too often they create it out of thin air. They did in that case.
    Last edited by Oracle; 20-06-2020 at 08:35 PM.

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    Jesus, Boris could say black is white and you’d believe him. Brainwashed in your own little right wing bubble

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fellbeast View Post
    Jesus, Boris could say black is white and you’d believe him. Brainwashed in your own little right wing bubble
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    Now come on lads, play nicely!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fellbeast View Post
    Jesus, Boris could say black is white and you’d believe him. Brainwashed in your own little right wing bubble
    Since Boris’s historic views are an open book ( outside creative media ) you cannot contest what He believes.
    He was a eurosceptic journalist for many years.

    It seems you prefer his opponents caricature to the real man.
    Which is the modern disease.


    There are aspects of boris’s politics I dislike. But at least I say that from a position of doing him the courtesy of studying what he believes and talking to him first.

    You are welcome to the guardian view! It has scant connection with reality.

    You must hope that you too are judged on what you believe, not what opponents say you believe.
    Last edited by Oracle; 20-06-2020 at 11:51 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wheeze View Post
    Now come on lads, play nicely!
    I tire of armchair criticism of those who have to make hard decisions, by those who have never faced the responsibility themselves, and those who measure a person by what their enemies say.

    For me, it diminishes the critics, not the one they criticise.
    There are far too many cheapshots.

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