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    Quote Originally Posted by anthonykay View Post
    Yes, severe travel restrictions: as you go down Teesdale, you will find roadblocks, with no-one allowed into Barnard Castle without a valid eye-test appointment.
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    I suppose you read The Guardian and so did not see my letter suggesting that anyone who can quote Bob Dylan isn't all bad.

    Btw when is the next Honours List announced?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Witton Park View Post
    anyone believe this from the ONS that Ed Conway has latched on to?

    Only 394 flu deaths this year in first 8 months. 13619 Pneumonia and 48,168 Covid.

    5 year average to end August for Flu and Pneumonia pre Covid would be interesting to compare. Bet it's not a long way off 60k.

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    From what I remember, flu is rarely recorded on the cause of death, whereas pneumonia is often recorded when people have developed this following flu - because it's the pneumonia what kills them. I think normally people estimate how many flu deaths there have been by looking at excess mortality. This gets tricky when COVID's about too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mossdog View Post
    I hear they're considering replacing, or is that supplementing, the 'old' 5 stage Covid Alert Levels https://news.sky.com/story/coronavir...kdown-11985894 , with a 3 tier system for Covid restrictions, so as to make things far simpler to understand (well, that's good then). Tier 3, otherwise known as Scorched Earth Policy, I guess will be trialed in t'North of England, a kind of Harrying Of The North 2.0. Less a case of Levelling Up but more of ...erm... well just Levelling.
    Puts me in mind of the Buckner Report recommendation (2007 I think) that athletics junior age groups of U13/U15/U17 were confusing and should change to U14/U16/U18
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    A bit morbid but Pneumonia used to be known as “old man’s friend” in the olden days. Maybe Covid is its modern version, only it’s not quite as “pleasant”. https://pneumonia.biomedcentral.com/...479-018-0052-7
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    according to Lucy Powell Labour MP, the Whitty presentation yesterday contained bogus stats, from selective sources and drawing on a 3 month old study in the US.
    She said it makes you wonder whether they know what they are doing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Witton Park View Post
    according to Lucy Powell Labour MP, the Whitty presentation yesterday contained bogus stats, from selective sources and drawing on a 3 month old study in the US.
    She said it makes you wonder whether they know what they are doing.
    This implies that MPs know more about the sources and the stats than the scientists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XRunner View Post
    This implies that MPs know more about the sources and the stats than the scientists.
    It claimed that 29.8 per cent of exposures to coronavirus occurred in pubs and restaurants, with just 2.6 per cent of infections happening in people's homes.

    However, official NHS Test and Trace figures have shown that 75.3 per cent of transmissions happened in the home, with only 5.5 per cent happening in pubs, restaurants and churches.

    The Department of Health admitted the figures shown to MPs "do not give us any hard conclusions about where the virus is being transmitted".

    The data for pubs relied on just 98 cases in which two or more people who were infected had reported being in the same place, with no proof that that was where they caught the virus.


    from a Telegrpah account which is behind a paywall.

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    funny that none of those figures relate to the data as shared:
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EjzmvoUW...jpg&name=large

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    Quote Originally Posted by Witton Park View Post
    Make of it what you will.
    What I make of the newspaper report and the MP's comment is that journalists and MPs will misuse statistics to 'prove' their particular point.

    Scientists are far more likely to be aware about the correct use of statistics to support their reports.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XRunner View Post
    What I make of the newspaper report and the MP's comment is that journalists and MPs will misuse statistics to 'prove' their particular point.

    Scientists are far more likely to be aware about the correct use of statistics to support their reports.
    Ahem....! Do you really think so? It's worth reading Thomas Kuhn's classic about scientific progress.

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