Strangely for me I’ve even started agreeing with things Tony Blair has been saying recently.Originally Posted by Mike T
Strangely for me I’ve even started agreeing with things Tony Blair has been saying recently.
Blair, Brown, May, and at a lower level, Hunt - all seem to make much more sense when they are no longer in power.
There's a lot of truth in that. Perhaps one day we will say the same about the soon to be ex-POTUS?
Never in a million years. Trump was pure evil
Well yes... but you as an intelligent man who needs to be informed about investments etc will also know that financial commentators generally have consistently recognised that, however obnoxious he is as a human being, he has done a lot of good for the US economy.
And as the great man says; "money doesn't talk, it swears".
Sorry Graham but f*** that. Justifying such a complete monster because he was good for Wall Street is no argument. Any twat can throw money at business and cut regulations but that doesn’t mean that it’s good for society. Even if a few investors do okay out of it
Now now. In your excitement don't confuse the message with the messenger. I was not justifying anything.
I was accurately noting that in recent weeks with the prospect of a Biden victory becoming more likely the financial pages have generally expressed concerns, in terms of the UK, about the economic downside of a Biden victory, particularly post-Brexit.
That's what financial commentators are paid to do - commentate on financial matters, not societal issues.
I've been to the USA at least a dozen times on business and pleasure but I've never been offered a vote - although Biden didn't seem to need it.
Last edited by Graham Breeze; 08-11-2020 at 12:43 AM.
I think most Brits (or those that make themselves heard) wonder why on earth Americans ever voted Trump in power and very nearly did it for a second term. But it is their country and clearly a lot of them give him the thumbs up even after 4 years, he has a big following even now - so not a disaster all round.
I think Americans would view us the same if we had put Jerremy Corbyn in power (and nearly re-elected him), they would be thinking "Are the Brits nuts"?
Yes, it's sad that so many Americans felt they had to vote for Trump, but saw this as their only real option if they feared what the Democrats have come to represent. Rather like Labour in this country, the Democrats no longer represent the interests of 'ordinary working people'. Rather, like Labour the cancel culture, cosmopolitan 'liberals' show contempt for ordinary folk and rather represent a toxic identity politics grievance-wielders, (BLM, LGBTWTF, radical femisinism, etc. etc.).I think most Brits (or those that make themselves heard) wonder why on earth Americans ever voted Trump in power and very nearly did it for a second term. But it is their country and clearly a lot of them give him the thumbs up even after 4 years, he has a big following even now - so not a disaster all round.
I think Americans would view us the same if we had put Jerremy Corbyn in power (and nearly re-elected him
I've traditionally always voted Labour, but at the last General Election, in the weeks leading up to it, I was 'accosted' by some Labour party canvassers in Alston. Having discussed various policies with them and shared my concerns, I asked them a simply question "are you proud to be British? I am". They almost choked in their contortions to avoid contradicting me and were still obfuscating as I walked away, feeling sad that a great party has descending into such a mess. Whatever Boris does, and I think the guy's a lying toe-wrag too, he'll still get a lot of northern votes (in England) while the likes of Starmer, 'take the knee'' and promote a divisive, negative view of our culture, history and society. Very sad
Am Yisrael Chai
Under the first past the post system in the U.K. (and the electoral college in the US) no party can just represent working class people and expect to win an election. Working class in both places is also split racially which often means that being say representative of immigrants rights might make you less appealing to working class people who resent immigrants.
The name of the game is proportional representation, where a government has to be formed most often on compromise and respecting alternative points of view. That’s the answer going forward and you might argue that voting for Keir Starmer next time round might afford a slight chance of getting that
