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    Quote Originally Posted by Witton Park View Post
    It was an exceptional Spring. It isn't an exceptional Autumn.

    You can have 10 lockdowns, if they are largely ineffective, they will achieve nothing. You cannot say with any certainty that without them it would have been far, far worse, because you cannot find any data that points to a lockdown changing the direction of travel of the stats.
    The Liverpool chart I put up yesterday shows that.
    The Northern Hemisphere graphs all look the same - you can more or less overlay the growth and decline of 1st and 2nd waves over each other.
    You’re possibly ‘glossing over’ the massive successes that lockdown has achieved in countries like Australia, New Zealand, China, South Korea...

    The U.K. experience of lockdown has always been too late, too short and too relaxed (not closing access to overseas travellers etc). Equally quoting Sweden as an example of a country ‘not needing lockdown’ that has only one major city, very expensive alcohol, with not much in the way of binge drinking culture a la UK, with a population far wider spread out, with much better investment in social and community care, a people more inclined to follow rules and that are culturally less inclined to clump together and still has covid deaths at or about the same rate as America (and far higher than all of it neighbours who did utilise lockdown) is clearly not a great example
    Last edited by Fellbeast; 20-11-2020 at 10:21 AM.

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