Interesting

[Dave_Mole]

And on the subject of stupidity and trump. WTF's going on in USA: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/elec...-2020-55558355

Craziness.

I absolutely agree about obeying the guidance and it sounds as though these 2 individuals would have responded appropriatly to being spoken to and advised. As for dishing out a fine for something that is not against the law I'm not sure that sends the correct message when we need people to support the police and not challenge them.

The *law* says that people must stay home. They are only permitted to leave home with a "reasonable excuse”. There are examples of how that is defined. But the law also says that you should remain in your local area. And that is not well defined. Probably because that's dependent on where you live. Local in Leeds is different to local in the High Peak. So there's a degree of interpretation involved. But there's still recourse to the concept of reasonableness.

[Graham Breeze]

This is worrying for me, because if I cycle more than 7 miles from my house in a North Easterly direction I end up in Derbyshire and at this time of year I might be carrying food. If they're fining people £200 to drive 5 miles, will they start fining people with food who cycle 7 miles?

At the bottom of the story it said Derbyshire Police has also been giving fixed penalty notices to people who visit Calke Abbey and Elvaston Castle. I've been to all three locations (not within the last 12 months) and whilst they're not staggeringly beautiful, they're the sort of places that less active people would drive to take their dog(s) for a walk. A lot of people will view this as a money-making policy rather than a health measure.

As for me, it looks like I'm trapped on the South side of the River Mease - at least to No Man's Heath, where I can enter friendly Warwickshire and then possibly North into friendly Leicestershire

Come to Yorkshire Marco, where we have enlightened police.

(Is there a lot of inbreeding in Derbyshire then?)

[anthonykay]

As for me, it looks like I'm trapped on the South side of the River Mease - at least to No Man's Heath, where I can enter friendly Warwickshire and then possibly North into friendly Leicestershire

What about going west or NW? Looking at the map, there seem to be some nice lanes west of the A51 and up towards Cannock Chase, and also towards Abbots Bromley.

I think they’ve taken advice from the bicycling association (or an association with a similar name?) who are saying that cycling local means that you need to be able to walk home from anywhere on your route.

So Sabrina Verjee or Donnie Campbell is stopped while cycling 200 miles from home. "I can walk home from here, Officer."

And slightly less facetiously:

This is worrying for me, because if I cycle more than 7 miles from my house in a North Easterly direction I end up in Derbyshire and at this time of year I might be carrying food. If they're fining people £200 to drive 5 miles, will they start fining people with food who cycle 7 miles?

"I can walk 7 miles home, but only if I have some food to sustain me."

[Mossdog]

I was just talking to a friend of mine who lives near Hope in the Hope Valley Derbyshire. We discussed this BBC news item about the two women and she was perplexed at why the Police were holed up at a quiet reservoir while today she noted several vans with young guy unloading their mountain bikes, and heading off into the hills. She wasn't complaining about the guys (she's a keen MTB herself) just confused by the Police's response.

Anyone who knows Hope will appreciate how mobbed it can be at a weekend. While the numbers are down on usual, there are apparently plenty of people out and about and no signs of a Police presence.

[Mossdog]

Local in Leeds is different to local in the High Peak.

And very different again from 'local' in Royston Vasey...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meF7NmfnXZ0

[Dave_Mole]

apparently, this is OK, though.

[Witton Park]

Good idea WP.

It is possible to have a discussion and even disagree, without being churlish. I've taken pops before I know, but I'm doing my best not to get drawn in to it again.
It had been quite a calm couple of months on the forum. It would be good to keep it that way.

[anthonykay]

I've just been for a run, on which I went through the main car park of the Outwoods. The car park was fairly full (but it isn't very big), and there were two women in hi-viz standing around. Were they asking everyone where they had driven from? If anyone had come from across the Nottinghamshire border (less than 5 miles away), would they be sent home, maybe with a fine?

[Mossdog]

I've just been for a run, on which I went through the main car park of the Outwoods. The car park was fairly full (but it isn't very big), and there were two women in hi-viz standing around. Were they asking everyone where they had driven from? If anyone had come from across the Nottinghamshire border (less than 5 miles away), would they be sent home, maybe with a fine?

It is worrying isn't it. I've been astonished over the past year at how day-to-day, taken for granted liberties, that we all enjoy, can be so readily taken away at a stroke of the legislative pen and enforced 'gestapo' like by petty officials or anyone in uniform. We live in 'interesting times' (just added that to keep it on thread ).

[anthonykay]

I've just seen a post by Charnwood Borough Council (who own the Outwoods) on FB, with a picture of the women in hi-viz who I saw earlier today. According to the Council, "Officers are at the Outwoods today to remind visitors of the rules around social distancing and to monitor the situation."

There were a lot of people out today, both in the woods and on the paths I used to and from the woods. People (including myself) seem to be much more conscious of distancing, moving to opposite sides of a path as they pass, than they were just a month ago; it's more like it was in April.