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    Quote Originally Posted by anthonykay View Post
    Yes, the graphs are worrying, but there is no suggestion that the continuing excess deaths are anything to do with Covid or the subject of this thread, the Covid vaccinations. So why are so many young people dying?

    Actually, there are all sorts of reasons why young people could be suffering from poor mental health (which would tend to cause poor physical health). One of those reasons is the disruption that Covid has caused, to their social lives as well as their education. There is the cost-of-living crisis (leading to poor diet, etc.). They may be depressed because the dysfunctional housing market means that they are never likely to be able to get a house of their own. Or they may just be depressed after 13 years of the Tories in Government . . . .

    But it is worth investigating.
    I'd just make a couple of points Anthony.

    Firstly that there was never a lockdown policy in the pandemic plan for a respiratory virus. This was done out of panic and as many said bad judgement and that may be the root of some young deaths now due to knock on mental health issues.
    One of my own daughters was in her last year of PhD Clinical Psychology attached to Lancaster Uni, on placement in the NHS 2 days a week and it knocked her for six. She was living with us, but no job, no teaching, and no contact with anyone.
    Would you lot want to be in lockdown with me?
    When the country unlocked, her education and teaching didn't. It was over a year before she could re-start her placement and her teaching never did go back to campus.

    But I'd say there is a suggestion that the continuing excess deaths are more directly to do with covid or the covid vaccinations.
    In fact often in other places if I make an assertion about the side effects of the vaccine, I am told at times by clinicians that it is actually covid, not the vaccines that is the issue.
    The symptoms causing the problems are caused by covid.
    So yes, several pro vaccine clinicians including some high profile ones who believe in the vaccine, blame covid for the rise in excess deaths in all ages post pandemic.
    It may have merit, but I suspect it's more of an emotional response than rooted in reality.
    I say that because I have seen some analysis, looking at the excess death figures around the world, and also analysis of US insurance claims for death and critical illness.
    These claims started to tick up in the middle of 2021.
    Had it been earlier one could say it might be covid.
    But the increase correlates to the vaccine roll out.

    Proof - no. I accept that. But I find an analyst called Ed Dowd quite credible and Ed puts it like this. In analytical terms the uptick is a 1 in 200 year event and it correlates to vaccine roll out rather than covid pandemic. So he will assert it is the vaccine unless someone can convince him otherwise as there is no other factor that fits tthe timeline and is relevant to the countries affected.

    Ed Dowd's book is "Cause Unknown"

    and when I see or hear "There is no evidence that......"

    I'm sorry, but there is evidence and it is being ignored. I might be wrong, but why isn't this getting more airtime rather than just "blah, blah, blah.... your wrong!"
    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Cause-Epide.../dp/1510776397
    Last edited by Witton Park; 26-09-2023 at 08:05 AM.
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