Farage NEW PM

[Wheeze]

Given that the BBC has always been the vassal of the Establishment and therefore left leaning, who are we to look to for a fair representation of news and events in this benighted country? Surely not GB News?? I despair of the Guradian and the Daily Flail in equal amounts. Tried The I but it is a bit vapid. Maybe the fate of the grey middle ground is to just muddle along whilst being irritated by left and right wing barbs?

[noel]

It makes you realise that political leanings are based on relative perceptions and not on absolutes. A fact I'm sometime reminded of when I consider some of the policies of "left-leaning" US politicians that seem right wing to UK standards, or "centre-right" French politicians that seem left wing to UK standards.

[Witton Park]

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[Mossdog]

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[Witton Park]

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It's a good piece - takes some reading

It's not news though is it. It's a written analysis of the sort of issues we might access via Unherd or Spiked Online, or maybe even the Daily Sceptic.

And that it appeals to me and you (at least this piece) perhaps it's not written by a political independent.

It's interesting now to look at the Port Talbot Steel situation.

Can you imagine this is in the 80s?

It would have been Labour and the TUC threatening to bring the country to a standstill.

Now the loudest dissent comes from.... Reform UK. Richard Tice, Farage etc.

Tories are looking to save as many jobs as they can - yeh right.

Labour want a green transition and as far as I can see, Starmer hasn't spoken on the matter yet and the shadow trade secretary Jonathan Reynolds has said "We have earmarked up to £3 billion for investment in green steel alongside industry, working with steel communities to ensure the transition to green steel comes with jobs."

Whilst Tories and Labour try and outbid themselves in how much debt they will commit to in our name, to subsidise a green transition for the UK steel industry which will make us glorified recyclers, it looks like it's Farage for PM

[mr brightside]

It's a good piece - takes some reading

It's not news though is it. It's a written analysis of the sort of issues we might access via Unherd or Spiked Online, or maybe even the Daily Sceptic.

And that it appeals to me and you (at least this piece) perhaps it's not written by a political independent.

It's interesting now to look at the Port Talbot Steel situation.

Can you imagine this is in the 80s?

It would have been Labour and the TUC threatening to bring the country to a standstill.

Now the loudest dissent comes from.... Reform UK. Richard Tice, Farage etc.

Tories are looking to save as many jobs as they can - yeh right.

Labour want a green transition and as far as I can see, Starmer hasn't spoken on the matter yet and the shadow trade secretary Jonathan Reynolds has said "We have earmarked up to £3 billion for investment in green steel alongside industry, working with steel communities to ensure the transition to green steel comes with jobs."

Whilst Tories and Labour try and outbid themselves in how much debt they will commit to in our name, to subsidise a green transition for the UK steel industry which will make us glorified recyclers, it looks like it's Farage for PM

Green steel will be horseshit. Kidney ore is second only to Swedish coruna ore in its ability to produce material with desirable properties like malleability and corrosion resistance. If you try and make things like drive shafts and springs out of recycled Chinese steel they will be doomed to fatigue related failure and won't heat cycle very well if at all. It would be expensive and difficult to separate it out into grades in order to control the quality of what's being produced. At our place we have constant problems with porosity in foreign castings, but the British foundries we used to use have closed down. I've seen components costing tens of thousands with scrap stickers on them due to porosity.

[Mossdog]

Green steel will be horseshit. Kidney ore is second only to Swedish coruna ore in its ability to produce material with desirable properties like malleability and corrosion resistance. If you try and make things like drive shafts and springs out of recycled Chinese steel they will be doomed to fatigue related failure and won't heat cycle very well if at all. It would be expensive and difficult to separate it out into grades in order to control the quality of what's being produced. At our place we have constant problems with porosity in foreign castings, but the British foundries we used to use have closed down. I've seen components costing tens of thousands with scrap stickers on them due to porosity.

Thanks for posting that MrB. I hadn't realised the implications from that perspective (although I knew they were bad!).

Searching a bit further, I came across this explanation which puts it in laymen's terms I could grasp better.

"Blast furnaces make iron which feeds the steelmaking process and electric arc furnaces make the steel. Port Talbot will stop making iron.

Think of bread. The blast furnaces make the flour and the electric furnaces make the bread. If you start with bad flour you get bad bread.

The electric arc furnaces will use scrap flour, of unknown quality. The bread will be of poorer quality. The output has thereby been downgraded. Most of the scrap comes from China – but not the iron ore which makes the iron. Therefore, we continue the dependence on China. Politically bad".

This comes from the comments section of https://unherd.com/thepost/european-...ping-net-zero/

Nut-Zero = Unilateral Economic Disarmament in favour of China, Russia and India - what could possibly go wrong?

[Mossdog]

Green steel will be horseshit. Kidney ore is second only to Swedish coruna ore in its ability to produce material with desirable properties like malleability and corrosion resistance. If you try and make things like drive shafts and springs out of recycled Chinese steel they will be doomed to fatigue related failure and won't heat cycle very well if at all. It would be expensive and difficult to separate it out into grades in order to control the quality of what's being produced. At our place we have constant problems with porosity in foreign castings, but the British foundries we used to use have closed down. I've seen components costing tens of thousands with scrap stickers on them due to porosity.

Thanks for posting that MrB. I hadn't realised the implications from that perspective (although I knew they were bad!).

Searching a bit further, I came across this explanation which puts it in laymen's terms I could grasp better.

"Blast furnaces make iron which feeds the steelmaking process and electric arc furnaces make the steel. Port Talbot will stop making iron.

Think of bread. The blast furnaces make the flour and the electric furnaces make the bread. If you start with bad flour you get bad bread.

The electric arc furnaces will use scrap flour, of unknown quality. The bread will be of poorer quality. The output has thereby been downgraded. Most of the scrap comes from China – but not the iron ore which makes the iron. Therefore, we continue the dependence on China. Politically bad".

This comes from the comments section of https://unherd.com/thepost/european-...ping-net-zero/

Nut-Zero = Unilateral Economic Disarmament in favour of China, Russia and India - what could possibly go wrong?

[Mossdog]

Green steel will be horseshit. Kidney ore is second only to Swedish coruna ore in its ability to produce material with desirable properties like malleability and corrosion resistance. If you try and make things like drive shafts and springs out of recycled Chinese steel they will be doomed to fatigue related failure and won't heat cycle very well if at all. It would be expensive and difficult to separate it out into grades in order to control the quality of what's being produced. At our place we have constant problems with porosity in foreign castings, but the British foundries we used to use have closed down. I've seen components costing tens of thousands with scrap stickers on them due to porosity.

Thanks for posting that MrB. I hadn't realised the implications from that perspective (although I knew they were bad!).

Searching a bit further, I came across this explanation which puts it in laymen's terms I could grasp better.

"Blast furnaces make iron which feeds the steelmaking process and electric arc furnaces make the steel. Port Talbot will stop making iron.

Think of bread. The blast furnaces make the flour and the electric furnaces make the bread. If you start with bad flour you get bad bread.

The electric arc furnaces will use scrap flour, of unknown quality. The bread will be of poorer quality. The output has thereby been downgraded. Most of the scrap comes from China – but not the iron ore which makes the iron. Therefore, we continue the dependence on China. Politically bad".

This comes from the comments section of https://unherd.com/thepost/european-...ping-net-zero/

Nut-Zero = Unilateral Economic Disarmament in favour of China, Russia and India - what could possibly go wrong?

[Graham Breeze]

Thanks for posting that MrB. I hadn't realised the implications from that perspective (although I knew they were bad!).

Searching a bit further, I came across this explanation which puts it in laymen's terms I could grasp better.

"Blast furnaces make iron which feeds the steelmaking process and electric arc furnaces make the steel. Port Talbot will stop making iron.

Think of bread. The blast furnaces make the flour and the electric furnaces make the bread. If you start with bad flour you get bad bread.

The electric arc furnaces will use scrap flour, of unknown quality. The bread will be of poorer quality. The output has thereby been downgraded. Most of the scrap comes from China – but not the iron ore which makes the iron. Therefore, we continue the dependence on China. Politically bad".

This comes from the comments section of https://unherd.com/thepost/european-...ping-net-zero/

Nut-Zero = Unilateral Economic Disarmament in favour of China, Russia and India - what could possibly go wrong?

In the late 1960s/early 1970s FIAT used a lot of Russian steel (Italy being the most communist-oriented country in western Europe at the time) as part of a general cosy relationship between FIAT and communist regime car makers. So FIAT built car plants in Russia and sold the machinery that produced the Lada and the Polski FIAT, etc.

This eventually destroyed the reputation of FIAT, Alfa Romeo and Lancia for being other than rust buckets in countries where it rained - and in the case of Lancia led to its complete withdrawal from the UK market after the calamitous Lancia Beta.

Why do I remember? Because in my youth I had a bought-from-new FIAT 124 which was written off, when less than 4 years old, because of internal corrosion.

There is Swedish steel, Russian cheese pretending to be steel and whatever the Chinese choose to sell us steel.