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    Quote Originally Posted by Mossdog View Post
    Thanks for posting that MrB. I hadn't realised the implications from that perspective (although I knew they were bad!).

    Searching a bit further, I came across this explanation which puts it in laymen's terms I could grasp better.

    "Blast furnaces make iron which feeds the steelmaking process and electric arc furnaces make the steel. Port Talbot will stop making iron.

    Think of bread. The blast furnaces make the flour and the electric furnaces make the bread. If you start with bad flour you get bad bread.

    The electric arc furnaces will use scrap flour, of unknown quality. The bread will be of poorer quality. The output has thereby been downgraded. Most of the scrap comes from China – but not the iron ore which makes the iron. Therefore, we continue the dependence on China. Politically bad".

    This comes from the comments section of https://unherd.com/thepost/european-...ping-net-zero/

    Nut-Zero = Unilateral Economic Disarmament in favour of China, Russia and India - what could possibly go wrong?
    In the late 1960s/early 1970s FIAT used a lot of Russian steel (Italy being the most communist-oriented country in western Europe at the time) as part of a general cosy relationship between FIAT and communist regime car makers. So FIAT built car plants in Russia and sold the machinery that produced the Lada and the Polski FIAT, etc.

    This eventually destroyed the reputation of FIAT, Alfa Romeo and Lancia for being other than rust buckets in countries where it rained - and in the case of Lancia led to its complete withdrawal from the UK market after the calamitous Lancia Beta.

    Why do I remember? Because in my youth I had a bought-from-new FIAT 124 which was written off, when less than 4 years old, because of internal corrosion.

    There is Swedish steel, Russian cheese pretending to be steel and whatever the Chinese choose to sell us steel.
    Last edited by Graham Breeze; 23-01-2024 at 06:29 PM.

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