Farage NEW PM

[Fellbeast]

Haha, I love the “expose the vagaries of the voting system” comment, what with the conservatives since 2019 having a do what the feck you like 80 seat majority on the back of a 43.6% (ie a 56.4% against) share of the overall vote

With Farage now, whether or not he gets a seat, he’s banking on sucking the remnants of the “pro-brexit, I’m all right mate and don’t give a toss about anybody else, hate immigrants and love warm beer and spitfires” brigade away from the conservatives. Given that the conservatives have been doing nothing but chasing the tail of this brigade ever since 2016, Reform are hoping to leave the conservatives a dried up empty husk of a party come July 5th if all goes to plan

Nigel then probably imagines amalgamating with that dried up husk and forming a new Conservative Party, with the old one dying a death. If Labour then bring in proportional representation, in five years time that new party will get some fair representation, as will of course everyone else including the greens; this would be a good thing all round

Trouble is the conservatives and reform, regardless, are both just vying for the 30% of the population that is interested in all that, typically the older, more bigoted generation coupled with the ignorant, poor and mostly white (see Clacton’s actual voter mix) haven’t got a cluers who just love hating things; mean while the rest of us don’t want that

An interesting stat from the lat at yougov poll was that, if the polling was just based on the views of 18 to 24 years olds the conservatives and reform would both not get a single seat on 4th July!

[Witton Park]

Haha, I love the “expose the vagaries of the voting system” comment, what with the conservatives since 2019 having a do what the feck you like 80 seat majority on the back of a 43.6% (ie a 56.4% against) share of the overall vote

I will give you a taste of my proposed reforms to our democracy. It isn't working and hasn't for quite some time. It won't be full on PR Though, as where they have such systems in Europe, we often see periods of no Government while they try and thrash out deals.

With Farage now, whether or not he gets a seat, he’s banking on sucking the remnants of the “pro-brexit, I’m all right mate and don’t give a toss about anybody else, hate immigrants and love warm beer and spitfires” brigade away from the conservatives. Given that the conservatives have been doing nothing but chasing the tail of this brigade ever since 2016, Reform are hoping to leave the conservatives a dried up empty husk of a party come July 5th if all goes to plan

Plenty pro Brexit come from the traditional left. Maybe you should expose yourself to the working class, red wall folk Brian.
All Parties have stiffed the 52% and it's one of the key reasons why we have such electoral apathy.

Nigel then probably imagines amalgamating with that dried up husk and forming a new Conservative Party, with the old one dying a death. If Labour then bring in proportional representation, in five years time that new party will get some fair representation, as will of course everyone else including the greens; this would be a good thing all round

I can't see Labour bring in PR when teh existing system will deliver them a huge majority.

Trouble is the conservatives and reform, regardless, are both just vying for the 30% of the population that is interested in all that, typically the older, more bigoted generation coupled with the ignorant, poor and mostly white (see Clacton’s actual voter mix) haven’t got a cluers who just love hating things; mean while the rest of us don’t want that

Isn't bigotry and intolerance of others? You seem quite intolerant of others Brian.

An interesting stat from the lat at yougov poll was that, if the polling was just based on the views of 18 to 24 years olds the conservatives and reform would both not get a single seat on 4th July!

Hardly surprising as academia is a left-wing activist generating machine and it has gone full on steroid mode since the Brexit Referendum.
However, it's almost certainly over-stating it.

[anthonykay]

Hardly surprising as academia is a left-wing activist generating machine . . .

Presumably because academia is where the people with the highest intelligence tend to be found.

[Witton Park]

Presumably because academia is where the people with the highest intelligence tend to be found.

You'd think so wouldn't you - but when kids get in with 1 grade E....

[anthonykay]

I will give you a taste of my proposed reforms to our democracy. It isn't working and hasn't for quite some time. It won't be full on PR Though, as where they have such systems in Europe, we often see periods of no Government while they try and thrash out deals.

You are right about democracy not working. People complained when 160,000 Conservative Party members were able to choose the next PM; but in Reform, one person chooses the next party leader: Farage himself! I actually feel rather sorry for Richard Tice (now, there's something that I would never have imagined myself writing!). So Reform would improve our democracy about as much as Vladimir Putin would.

I have seen it suggested that Farage's big plan is to let Labour foul things up over the next five years, and then make his big move in a 2029 General Election: a most worrying prospect. While I find Keir Starmer to be totally uninspiring, I do hope he finds enough competent people to put into his Cabinet to make a better job of running the country than the Tories have done over the last five years; although that isn't a very high bar.

[Witton Park]

[QUOTE=anthonykay;688075] I do hope he finds enough competent people to put into his Cabinet to make a better job of running the country than the Tories have done over the last five years/QUOTE]

I can't see it. If you consider what have been the worst aspects of the Tory Government, Labour have been practically on the same page, just more of it.

More lockdown, more spending on covid, more tax, more public spending, more renewables, more chicks with dicks....

Has anyone out there got a policy from Labour that they like?

[MattPo]

How lucky are we to be leaving today for nearly 3 weeks in the Austrian Tyrol. An escape from all the Election rubbish, that we had booked before the announcement.

[Graham Breeze]

Haha, I love the “expose the vagaries of the voting system” comment, what with the conservatives since 2019 having a do what the feck you like 80 seat majority on the back of a 43.6% (ie a 56.4% against) share of the overall vote

With Farage now, whether or not he gets a seat, he’s banking on sucking the remnants of the “pro-brexit, I’m all right mate and don’t give a toss about anybody else, hate immigrants and love warm beer and spitfires” brigade away from the conservatives. Given that the conservatives have been doing nothing but chasing the tail of this brigade ever since 2016, Reform are hoping to leave the conservatives a dried up empty husk of a party come July 5th if all goes to plan

Nigel then probably imagines amalgamating with that dried up husk and forming a new Conservative Party, with the old one dying a death. If Labour then bring in proportional representation, in five years time that new party will get some fair representation, as will of course everyone else including the greens; this would be a good thing all round

Trouble is the conservatives and reform, regardless, are both just vying for the 30% of the population that is interested in all that, typically the older, more bigoted generation coupled with the ignorant, poor and mostly white (see Clacton’s actual voter mix) haven’t got a cluers who just love hating things; mean while the rest of us don’t want that

An interesting stat from the lat at yougov poll was that, if the polling was just based on the views of 18 to 24 years olds the conservatives and reform would both not get a single seat on 4th July!

Always interesting to read your views - albeit they can be a touch opaque.

[Fellbeast]

always interesting to read your views - albeit they can be a touch opaque.

Haha yeah

[Don't fear the sweeper]

More lockdown, more spending on covid, more tax, more public spending, more renewables, more chicks with dicks....

Has anyone out there got a policy from Labour that they like?

Well, since you ask, all of the above.