More of an unstable stable I would suggest.:DQuote:
Originally Posted by XRunner
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More of an unstable stable I would suggest.:DQuote:
Originally Posted by XRunner
Twisted me ankle yesterday but i am now in a stable condition, sorry just horsing around, neigh.Quote:
Originally Posted by XRunner
Fetlock, was it your metacarpophalangeal or your metatarsophalangeal bone.Quote:
Originally Posted by merrylegs
Just interested..... who do you see as the establishment?Quote:
Originally Posted by Amex
Fell Runners Association?
UKA?
Clubs like Clem?
The government?
Ah!! there's the snag, being the boss does that not make Amex part of the establishment technically. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Dux de lux
Oh Bugger!Quote:
Originally Posted by crumblydown
*thinks how he can no longer be just a number*
I see the establishment as the establishment:rolleyes: High viz jackets i tell you, that's how it started! Health and safety arrrrrrrrrrrrQuote:
Originally Posted by Dux de lux
I'm honestly not fishing for an argument but the 'ponies' club has been set up as a club with a difference.
No fuss, no fees, no rules..... but is the real difference that you dont want to affiliate to UKA and its rules?:)
We are not mad anarchists for the sake of being mad anarchists (notice I didn't deny we WERE mad anarchists...though in fact if we were mad anarchists, I wouldnt have been involved in any mad anarchy). I think the no fees, no fuss ideology is a simpler way to express what we stand for. My understanding is that to be affiliated to UKA, apart from the fees, there has to be an official yearly AGM (and a founding meeting), and you have to have officials in place within the club...secretary, treasurer etc......each meeting has to have an agenda, proposals, seconders and all that pal-larva......
On a personal level, and Im sure most ponies would back me up on this, we wanted to avoid all that bollocks, and the pointless politics, time wasting, and arm twisting that inevitably follows suit......and in my experience it inevitably does.....where there is politics and power involved it happens! I personally don't see the need for these roles within a club, and barring affiliation fees don't understand why clubs need to charge sometimes in the region of £30 for yearly membership. Thats why we have not affiliated to UKA. Its not JUST about money. Now I know people will disagree with my slant on club fees and on the treasuer, secretary roles within clubs etc...fair enough thats your opinion and you are entitled to it. I also know that clubs operate off ver cheap membership (Is it Bowland who are £6 a year or something-- fair play thats super). We made a decisiona nd so far we have stuck to it.
Hopefully that will explain some of MY thinking as a PONY
i thought the ponies were
A, the anarchists/misfits that other clubs did'nt want.
B, too tight to pay club fees.
C, no one could be arsed to treasurer so we dont have fees.
D, and didnt want to give self appointed jobsworth little shits the power to hassle you into running races what they want and all that bollocks like my local club.
thats why i joined , and to frolic and run free on all fours (well at pendle in parts anyway) and i thought we'd have to wear bridals too,a bit disappointed about that bit. :D
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On a personal level, and Im sure most ponies would back me up on this, we wanted to avoid all that bollocks.
Fell monster perfectly put, i back you 100% with your statement
Well said Fellmonster.
I once took on the job as secretary of my rugby club (No one else would do it) and I couldn't believe the crap that you had to deal with to comply with this that and the other regulation. I got out as soon as I could but it left me with immense admiration for anyone who does such a job and sticks with it.
Mind you in some sports where there isn't much regulation or money involved you can get by with just paying lip service to whoever your "establishment" is. We had a small climbing club once and we affiliated to the BMC. We modified a copy of someone else's constitution, AGMs took 10 minutes before beer took over the evening and subs were only ever to cover the cost of affiliation, usually about £2.50 each.
If Bowland can charge £6 and others charge £30 then surely the latter must be offering more benefits to their members and their members must be happy with this?
Perhaps the bottom line is that some people prefer highly organised clubs and some prefer the opposite. There should be plenty of room for both.
Sorry, that went on longer than I intended!
Good reply... you must have experienced some pretty big and formal clubs.
My personal experience of my own (traditional , affilliated!!) relatively small club - Ambleside AC- has been nothing but positive. Although we do have an AGM, it never lasts longer than an hour and this is our only meeting of the year. Although our treasurer is on the ball, our secretary's only job is to bin all the post that comes our way other than the London entries!! Most decisions in our club happen informally over a drink in the pub after club nights. It costs £10 a year to join and this goes towards paying a donation to the rugby club we use as a base for training nights in winter -pretty good value really.
As a club we have organised the British Relays in langdale and organise a selection of races that thousands of people enjoy every year, as well as supporting Broughton Runners, a junior club with links to ourselves - certainly a club that gives something back to the sport (like nearly all do!)
All our runners don't train together but there are regularly 10-20 there on club training nights which are as fast or slow as anyone wants to go. I've made some great friends through running and racing with others in the same club and can't imagine running and not being in a club. But then everyone is different.
Talk of "all that bollocks, pointless politics, time wasting, arm twisting and power struggles" is not my experience at all.
Well done Old Un.....you summed it up perfectly! If we were to have a written constitution (we never will) that would do nicely:DQuote:
Originally Posted by old un
In the interests of fair play i feel i should declare that i was once Chairman of the PTA at my kids school though in my defence i would like to point out that my appointment was a great disappointment for the for the school:cool:
Actually the more i think about it, maybe we should have titles? I may style myself "Captain" and ask the Ponies to subscribe £2 a year to get myself a fancy outfit with gold tassles and epaulettes
Oh Please please please please can i be the ships fool! or a parrotQuote:
Originally Posted by The Master
i will pay 20 p to be a fool and 5 p to have a sorry, be a bird!!
The Ponies started out as a bit of a laugh and i honestly dont see why we should change from that. The fact that there are now 40 of us just makes it more fun and thats what running up and down hills should be....fun.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dux de lux
Anything that detracts from that is an unnecessary complication and affiliating to UKA is definitely on that list....;)
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Originally Posted by Amex
Its £2 or you're out Amex!
i'd gladly pay £2 to see that on the fells :)...............dont forget the monacleQuote:
Originally Posted by The Master
Always comes back to fancy dress doesnt it? that just about sums us up:DQuote:
Originally Posted by old un
Compwetwy agwee, (oops turned into Elmer Fudd for a mo there) Completely agree Master. No committees and loads of fun that's what we want.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Master
always master always......:DQuote:
Originally Posted by The Master
those few words every bloke wants to hear........... no commitment. :D
i think we live by enough rules in everyday life and for me running is my little escape :)
Well said master (el capitano) :rolleyes: , someone also said Attitude, but forget to mention APPETITE.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Master
The general concensus is just get out there and enjoy yersels even if OLD UN needs to dress up:confused: , hey each to his own. As Dee Jay says some want well organised clubs and some don't. Keep on Running.
I agree Old un, by the way, I be mainly eating Xmas puds on the fells:p , just wondering what you will be mainly wearing for the Silly season:D .Quote:
Originally Posted by old un
dont know yet Ambrosia ,"still waiting for the pony vest ":D ,but hopefully i may recieve it by rotherham. but like yourself it will involve a qauntity of xmas pud with lashings of vodka soaked into it. i'm going to a fancy dress party on the night straight after round rotherham as a mexican bandit, i couldnt do the RR. in it ........or could i ????, no it would get muddy and our lass would give me a slapped arse.may sport some type of festive hat for the occasion though......:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Ambrosia Kid
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Originally Posted by Ambrosia Kid
I shall be mainly wearing this little number
now thats what i call an outfit.:)
Its a touch casual for me:cool:
I'm sure you could get one with epaulettes Master;)Quote:
Originally Posted by The Master
But the colours all wrong too:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Deejay
Suits you sir and this creation seems to have epaulettes on the front:)Quote:
Originally Posted by The Master
Are you mainly wearing it for the Hexamshire Hobble, if so Him off the tele and moi might join you, now where did i put that mexican bandit outfit:eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by Deejay
Absolutely spot on, join a club if you want, join the fell ponies if you want, do what makes you happy in your spare time. If you can't afford any clothes, wear a smile. Enjoy life, it could all end tomorrow. Not being morbid, its a fact. There's too much do this do that in the world. Happiness costs nothing, so does being a fell pony:)Quote:
Originally Posted by old un
oooo I so LOVE dressing up! Can't wait to get the Xmasfancy dress out fit out again!!Quote:
Originally Posted by old un
My pony vest is becomming notorious already!!:rolleyes: :cool:
Hi Ambrosia,Quote:
Originally Posted by Ambrosia Kid
B*llocks! B*llocks! B*llocks! Problems piling up here I'm afraid. Am definitely stuck for transport this weekend and worse horror of horrors!!! may have to stand in for a works colleague, who was due to go to Hastings on Monday morning - means travelling down on Sunday:-(
Unless I can pursuade PTto get over to the Lakes or Moors for a day it looks like my next gallop will be the Saltwell 10k on 23rd Dec for a bit of exercise before Christmas (I hate running on the flat on roads! but I believe it's in a park now and has some little humps in it). Then it'll be Guisborough Woods. Have you done that one before?
Cheers
Dave
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Originally Posted by The Master
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Originally Posted by Amex
I,d pay a fiver to see The Master dressed as Cap'n Birdseye with Amex sat on his shoulder as a parrot whilst running on the fells, now that would be some handicap. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by old un
I ve seen the Master dressed up as worse!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by crumblydown
OLD UN- Next batch of vests are due any day now really....will keep you posted.
We also have a another new member........so thats 41 i think?
See, there you go all size-ist ... do I have to say it again??!!Quote:
Originally Posted by crumblydown
Now, a lesser man would take offence at the remarks from the racing snakes among us...
If you were to reverse the order though (i.e. have The Master, dressed in whatever he likes, on Amex's shoulder) you'd have a going concern so to speak. If we're going to have a race, I bagsie Mrs.C. for the piggy back ;)
... but on the flat only. I don't know if my ankle would handle gradients.
Roll on Monday's recce.
Although there are no Fell Ponies listed in the official results for the Famous Grouse, here we see a sneaky junior Pony hogging the limelight on the start line:
http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~temples/hc/...7/IMG_0030.JPG