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Was tagged in another thing yesterday, instructed me to "Run 5km then donate £5"
Not sure who some people think they are.
Well i'd already done well over 5km in the morning, and they didn't tell me who to donate to, so i donated to myself and bought a couple of pies from the butchers.
Today’s interesting thought in NYT
Some Correlation between country UV levels and less corona incidence.
If true and established as causal, it
Potentially offers help in work places
Incidentally, anyone else tried a private antibody test?
I’ve just ordered two of the Abbott labs test.
I do post political topics and occasionally memes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oracle
If I do, I am attracted to those with a dose of humour or satire. This below was one from a couple of weeks ago that made me laugh.
I expect debate, I don't expect aggression.
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I barely post anything on facebook that isn't running or holiday related... even then it's generally my own photos so i have a home for them before i print them off.
No politics... ever.
No football...
No work...
Nowt at all 4 me.
Never been on in my life and certainly no desire to.
Missus nagged me to open an account and I did, but I only put a single post on there (testing, testing kind of thing!) and walked away. Not for me, I found it immediately intrusive and loads of "friends requests" from people I didn't want to share with, nor offend - like family :p.
Glad I have had nothing to do with it, suits some but not others, certainly not for me. But I am a grumpy old sod :cool:
I’d not bothered with Facebook for years but have started again in the last couple of months. The reason is because of the lockdown, it’s a way of catching up with friends that can no longer be done in person. I never engage in politics on there unlike on here because there are too many left wing half-wits who are incapable of a reasoned debate.
Frequently I am reminded of why I used to not bother. Barely a day goes by without someone expressing outrage at other people having turned up at the same place as them
to exercise. The lack of self awareness to realise that others have merely had the same idea as them is staggering.
It is a good way of keeping up with people you may not see very often, but want to keep in touch.
Downside is it's a good way of finding out that you are not quite so keen on people who you may otherwise like.
I'm often totally astounded by the views people air on facebook, or details of their private lives... it's not necessarily the views they hold that i dislike, but they feel like these views should be thrown out for everybody to see/hear.
About 8 or 9 years ago I was very close to a relationship with one girl i knew from school, but i simply couldn't get involved... every detail of her life was posted on facebook... photos of every meal, every time they left the house, etc... i couldn't bear to think that she'd be subjecting me to that.
Funnily enough, you'd think your circle of "facebook friends" increases over time... and for a period of time it does, as you catch up with old acquaintances, meet people through sports etc... but eventually it starts going down as you realise you barely know them and never speak to them, so you delete them.
I think at one time i had about 400 friends on facebook. Over time that's down to about 200 now. Even then i only see the facebook thoughts of about 40 or 50 of them, i have the rest switched off.
Admittedly for keeping up with race results and photos, it's unrivalled. WFRA and Shropshire Fell pages are simply brilliant. It's these that i'd miss more than convenient contact with "friends"... the Fell Runners UK group on the other hand :D
And facebook thanks you!Quote:
Originally Posted by Stagger
I really wish there was a separate medium for useful things like fell races etc. rather than Facebook which I refuse to join. I guess this forum, and others, used to serve that purpose.
Completely out of context with the discussion, but when I come on here it usually says 300+ people logged in, currently 530 users online. Who ?????.
Don't understand that?
Perfect.Quote:
Originally Posted by MattPo
Long may it continue.
Not many logged in.Quote:
Originally Posted by molehill
I would guess a lot of others are bots indexing the site, and hackers doing automatic testing for vulnerabilities.
What would you like boris to change in the lockdown?
Meet my family
And
Golf courses open
Perfection 😉
Good question Stagger, because lots are accusing the Govt of getting it wrong, but they haven't any other answers themselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stagger
We are actually a couple of weeks behind where I think we should be but here goes.
Family contacts allowed again immediately. All personal contacts allowed from June, with the public allowed to self assess what they see as appropriate.
Allow all businesses to reopen immediately subject to having a review of operating policy in place for indoors.
NB. It is not feasible for some to have a distancing policy. Hairdressers, dentists, physios… but they should have some measures to mitigate and customers have the choice not to use them of course.
Open all primary schools and nurseries W/C 18/5
Open all other schools and universities W/C 25/5
Scrap the furlough scheme.
From July replace it with an enhanced version of the Lay-Offs and Short-time working scheme (which I think they should have done originally)
https://www.gov.uk/lay-offs-short-ti.../guarantee-pay
So for example:
Increase the maximum per day to £75
Increase the max 5 days payable per 3 month period to 30 days
Set the 3 month period for the enhancements as July - Sept.
To help businesses that can't come out of lockdown as quickly as others and to help those who can only come out gradually to do so, whilst supporting their staff and work to reduced rotas like 3 day weeks, which the furlough scheme doesn't allow.
Controversial I know, but from June I'd allow all outdoor sport and similar events to commence without restriction including allowing spectators.
Indoor events (such as snooker, church and similar gatherings) perhaps from July.
The public know the risks and it's about time the public were given the option to decide for themselves.
But they are not just deciding for themselves, they are deciding for those they give it to, if they have it of course - essential workers in particular are vulnerable and are faced with so many people per day. Look at what is happening in care homes, despite belated attempts at providing adequate PPE. The second wave could easily be worse than the first. Given what we have seen people doing for VE day I think we know that many lack common sense. The "socially distanced" conga for example - like a long line of slip streaming cyclists - I hate to think of the long fugg of exhaled breaths they were dancing through.Quote:
Originally Posted by Witton Park
Mike I find it quite alarming that you can't even engage constructively with a phased move out of lockdown over the next 4.5 months. That's the timescale for my unlocking and support.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike T
My outline isn't a return to where we were in February even then.
I have a few points.
All workers are essential. I include all those that are out of work because of lockdown and instead of paying tax, are taking tax refunds/grants to add to our current 2 Trillion deficit.
"many lack common sense" I haven't seen anything particular about VE day. Generally through the lockdown, the blatant flouters are probably a fraction of 1% of the population.
If we delay due to a few nutjobs, then we are doomed.
and "those we give it to" well you have to have it first. The numbers in the general population seem to be thin on the ground with the cases now mostly coming from the care sector.
But it's not just about giving, it's also about receiving, and so people can choose to continue to keep their distance and many will.
I won't be rushing to the pub when it first opens to play darts and pool, but I may start making my walks via a rural pub, where I can sit in a beer garden, order a pint, and drink it with peace of mind.
I cannot see how a second wave can be anywhere near the first. Firstly some are now likely immune for the foreseeable future, perhaps many millions. Secondly, behaviours even with the fullest and quickest lockdown will be changed, so the rate of spread can never be the same as it was previously. Thirdly, such epidemics frequently tail off naturally and that seems to be the case in other western countries whether light touch like Sweden, or heavy lockdowns like Spain.
I don't disagree with all your suggestions, just the idea that the public should be able to decide for themselves. Given we still have 5,000 new cases and 500 deaths a day, there are obviously plenty of people out there still spreading it. Any lessening of the current lockdown needs to be done carefully, or we are in real trouble. Unfortunately the only way to measure the effect of any changes will be to count new cases and deaths several weeks after the changes were made.Quote:
Originally Posted by Witton Park
Apparently epidemiologists call excess deaths in populations like we are seeing now "harvesting" - horrible word in the context - the last thing we want is a bigger harvest than necessary from now - unfortunately we have to start from here, and cannot reverse the poor timing of decisions that has got us to where we are.
Mike - even now the public are deciding for themselves and doing a pretty good job of it.
Look at the way testing has been increased. 10 x the testing but the new cases are falling. That has to be taken in context.
The daily deaths are falling and of the circa 500 per day, how many are from the general public. I think most are care sector now. Unfortunately once it gets in to an enclosed environment with many frail people, it gets through them quite quickly.
9 now in the one where my late uncle was.
He passed away around 10 days ago. So he probably caught it a few weeks after lockdown.
Put a firewall around the frail by all means, but we have to get cracking.
watching the news Ridge and Marr this morning, it seems that many will have a problem with the "Stay Alert" tagline for the next phase of CV management.
It's too ambiguous.
So perhaps we need to considerer a COVID version of the Tufty Club for adults? Maybe a Green Cross Code Equivalent?
Stop the negativity.
Tin Foil - stock up
Avoid social media
Yammer ye not!
Abstain from TV news
Look after yourself
Eschew pointing the finger
Run - it's good for you
Taxes - the country can't function without them!
Be alert? I thought we had enough lerts and we're now supposed to be stutes?
All those correspondents who were knocking the UK and praising Germany's handling of Coronavirus have suddenly gone very quiet!
I have noticed that as well quite refreshing really;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Llani Boy
Deaths in the UK vs Germany in the last 24 hours: 269 vs 39. Did I miss something?Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnK
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-52604676Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike T
Maybe just depends what we can beleive (to early in the crisis to know what is fact and what is Speculation) weekend figures for uk can not be relied upon but yes they appear to be falling whereas Germanys are again rising after they ease ther lockdown (which I suspect will be repeated here although I sincerly hope not) time and history will tell.
My post you have qouted refers more to the fact that the silence of the main antagonists on here reworking old auguments over and over again and trying to score points against one another, was refreshing.
Nothing more to say from me other than stay safe folks
Has boris said I can play golf again yet?
People will also be free to sit in parks, and be able to "play sports" with people from the same household.
So golf alone or with mi misses. 🏌️*♀️💑
Having slept on the news that boris gave.
It was pathetic timing to inform construction and manufacturing workers they should return to work on Monday morning.
The announcement should have been made public on Thursday.
I think that whilst they will be allowed to, some might take longer than others to open up the site.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stagger
If you flip it, it would have seemed odd to say "as from Thursday...." as then you'd have had people asking what has changed since Tuesday or Wednesday.
Overall, I was disappointed. I think the speech missed two elements of clarity.
1. Dates fixed for schools. That would have then tied in with the back to work message.
2. Family visits. Based on what Boris said yesterday, the wife and I can get in the car at 5 am, drive up to Fort William, pop up the Ben, nip in to Morrisons at Fort William, back home, stop off at Cairn Lodge on our way back.....
But we can't have any of the grandkids round for a visit, despite all family being locked down for 8 weeks now.
I also thought the comment on fines was wrong.
Meanwhile here in Wales we continue to stay at home and watch what occurs in England with interest.
No fishing for us yet :(
Scafell maybe, but I don't think that you can drive to the Ben.Quote:
Originally Posted by Witton Park
Indeed. Sturgeon will shoot you at the border!😂
As to the press response? Jeez!! How do I avoid their carping negativity?? Ive said it before but the press behaviour is by far the worst aspect of this for me!
Which seems a bit odd, given that it would be hard to imagine a more socially distanced activity than fishing. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by molehill
Sturgeon? Carping?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wheeze
This thread appears to have been hijacked by the fishing activists.
I'm sure the press are sharpening their pencils for a week reporting on people saying how unfair it is they can't do this or that in Scotland or wales and what does "stay alert" mean and finding one person where the England/Wales boundary goes through their garden and Boris forgot to mention them. So on and so forth.
But all that aside, we shall carry on here for another 3 weeks, not stress and see how it pans out elsewhere. Personally I would like to have a little freedom and feel relatively safe by August, maybe earlier? Playing the long game and not getting worked up about what others are doing. Though the press are the pits like Wheeze says.
Keir Starmer whinging about the different measures in England compared to those taken by the devolved Governments of Wales and Scotland.
Has he forgotten that it was his party that pushed through devolution on a minority vote of the populations!
It's no surprise that he is Johnny opposite.
The jocks and taffs don't know what to do so have done nowt.
From the ONS:
"Compared with the rate among people of the same sex and age in England and Wales, men working in the lowest skilled occupations had the highest rate of death involving COVID-19, with 21.4 deaths per 100,000 males (225 deaths); men working as security guards had one of the highest rates, with 45.7 deaths per 100,000 (63 deaths).
Men and women working in social care, a group including care workers and home carers, both had significantly raised rates of death involving COVID-19, with rates of 23.4 deaths per 100,000 males (45 deaths) and 9.6 deaths per 100,000 females (86 deaths).
Healthcare workers, including those with jobs such as doctors and nurses, were not found to have higher rates of death involving COVID-19 when compared with the rate among those whose death involved COVID-19 of the same age and sex in the general population.
Among men, a number of other specific occupations were found to have raised rates of death involving COVID-19, including: taxi drivers and chauffeurs (36.4 deaths per 100,000); bus and coach drivers (26.4 deaths per 100,000); chefs (35.9 deaths per 100,000); and sales and retail assistants (19.8 deaths per 100,000)."
Men have twice the Covid related death rate of women - 10 vs 5 per 100,000. The above figures are adjusted for age, but not, for example for ethnicity.
a complete dog's breakfast.Quote:
Originally Posted by Llani Boy
I note Sturgeon has asked that the UK Govt advise is not broadcast in Scotland.
I personally think her behaviour appalling. She's given a seat at key meetings, briefed by the lead experts, and then runs off and sets up a press conference to get the info out before the PM.
Now she's going her own way.
If only we could block her being broadcast down here as I've had a gutful of switching Sky or BBC on and seeing here little head bobbing about talking bollocks.
Sturgeon in her press conference now.
The R number is still too high.
What is it?
I don't know.
:rolleyes:
Even When it is cold and miserable we ride past fishermen on the canal towpath who have faces like a wet weekend. I assume they prefer it to being home, so they are socially distancing the wife and kids!
It’s comforting to know that the world is its usual self. What can be more normal than teachers unions whinging again about anything and everything. This case about going back to work. If you gave them 52 weeks off, they still would find something to grumble about. Probably the “ stress “ of being off for so long.
Stress is a serious issue that will rear its head. It is rarely commented , and stats are hard to come by, but entrepreneurs ( not doctors or teachers) have a massive suicide rate. We all know some that have been pushed over the edge.
Now government has taken the easy way out and made business pay 100 percent for corona virus, not a discernible penny from the public sector, ( the unions would whinge to kingdom come) there will now be a massive wave of business collapses ( many of them out of sheer spite not logic , like Virgin) and with it a wave of entrepreneur suicides. They will go largely unreported. They are after all, public enemy number 1: parasites in our twisted world of values.
They are the most useful people in the economy, because without them there is no money for anything. But nobody will clap for them, despite the fact of that their paying for corona will last for years. The day they finally make a profit, they will be branded parasites again. Ignoring the fact they pay for it all. Not to mention the devastation of equities which will force many businesses to be asked to top up pension schemes.
That was the most unfair legislation in history, when brown made business responsible for how his government trashed return in the economy.
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Originally Posted by anthonykay