Welsh 1000s Race

Yes, it's all straight forward. The main tricky bit is a section at the top of the miners track at Caseg y Fraith to the cairns which mark the top of the miners track dropping down the other side. From Bwlch Tryfan to Caseg y Fraith is a bit sketchy in places.

The other section is where you leave the miners track as it crosses a wall low down, then head around to Pen Y Pass swining around the LHS of the llyn and the RHS of Moel Berfedd. There's a trod developed now and this is marked near PyP to aid. Worth a recce though.

Thanks Iain, thats very helpful. :-) I will be going to reccy it too.

I have entered the junior class on a bit of a whim and am seeking any advice on how to train best for 8m with 4000ft of ascent. I usually do a mix of 2 short races a week (due to age restraints) and a longish 12m run on a mix of road and fell. How should i best prepare myself for 3000ft of ascent all in one go as the biggest climbs near me are only 1000ft. Any help would be much appreciated. Should i go for distance or short steep ascents.
Thanks
Tom

What's the route of the junior one? Is that the normal shorter route, ogwen > Snowdon?

If so the climbs aren't too bad, a steep climb to llyn Bochlwyd, then steady climb, interspersed with steep sections, from Pen Y Pass to the summit. PyP is 350 m high, Snowdon 1085, so it's more like 2500ft in one go, but is broken by some quite longish flattish sections.

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Originally Posted by TurboTom

I have entered the junior class on a bit of a whim and am seeking any advice on how to train best for 8m with 4000ft of ascent. I usually do a mix of 2 short races a week (due to age restraints) and a longish 12m run on a mix of road and fell. How should i best prepare myself for 3000ft of ascent all in one go as the biggest climbs near me are only 1000ft. Any help would be much appreciated. Should i go for distance or short steep ascents.
Thanks
Tom

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You coming down with me and phil mate? We are staying down on the friday night if you fancy it? Coming back after the race,you might have to take over driving as i'll be screwed ;)

Hopefully Phil mentioned it, if not i was gonna go down on the train as i have relatives over that way. It is the ogwen start.

Tom's definatley driving on the way back ;)

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Originally Posted by Fleeter

You coming down with me and phil mate? We are staying down on the friday night if you fancy it? Coming back after the race,you might have to take over driving as i'll be screwed ;)

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You're right - you'll be a complete mess if last weekend was anything to go by:D:D:D

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Originally Posted by Marvin

You're right - you'll be a complete mess if last weekend was anything to go by:D:D:D

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I know,best get running!! I'm in Jura aswell :eek:

Any advice pd or fleeter. BTW i might join fell ponies as im getting sick of having shitty age limits imposed upon me

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Originally Posted by TurboTom

Any advice pd or fleeter. BTW i might join fell ponies as im getting sick of having shitty age limits imposed upon me

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you still doing the welsh 1000 i see tom, what do you mean about shitty age limits do you mean on the races ?

You know any races. I could be old enough to die for my country yet i cant do a fell race over 6 miles. Races should be judged on experience maybe one year only allowed to do shorts, one year mediums, one year longs that would be a fair way of deciding who is fit to run a race. I hate the fact that an 80 year old who is being hunted down by the grim reaper can run a fell race yet a fit 16 year old cannot. No wonder the talent is drying up.

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You know any races. I could be old enough to die for my country yet i cant do a fell race over 6 miles. Races should be judged on experience maybe one year only allowed to do shorts, one year mediums, one year longs that would be a fair way of deciding who is fit to run a race. I hate the fact that an 80 year old who is being hunted down by the grim reaper can run a fell race yet a fit 16 year old cannot. No wonder the talent is drying up.

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Some of the 80 year olds could probably outrun the grim reaper!:p:D (but I do agree with your point)

I'm not passing judgement on you TurboTom, but when I was 16 I was a bit of an idiot; I would probably have killed myself on the longer races by not making sensible decisions in poor weather conditions and the like.
I know that not every youth is going to make poor decisions in these circumstances, but event organisers have certain responsibilities, especially where under 18s are concerned.
All I can say is have patience; My 16 to 18 years passed in a blur, so I'm sure yours will too. You'll soon be wishing the time back!
As for these 80 year olds, I think that probably everyone on this forum finds their tenacity highly commendable. Besides, they ought to be allowed to have lots of running practice to enable them to outrun the grim reaper!

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Originally Posted by Pilgrim

Some of the 80 year olds could probably outrun the grim reaper!:p:D (but I do agree with your point)

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I'm going to have to learn to type faster! I'm always being beaten to the point! :(

Maybe it was a bad comment to put, im not going to get any advice now just jip off the oaps of the forum.

I've never been called an OAP before! :eek::D

You didnt give me any jip yet. Dont get ya pyjamas in a twist. Anyway its a bit late for you, arent you ready for your cocoa and bed. Oj:D

Better try to give you advice rather than jip then, hadn't I? :D
Now let me think. Advice. What kind of advice? Hmm.
I've got it, practice running up lots of hills!

Seriously though, my local hills that I train on are no more than about 600 feet high and I didn't find the full Welsh 1000m course too taxing. You should be alright. Just make sure you include regular long sessions in your training, possibly by running up and down the same hill several times by different routes. It's not ideal for these long climbs, but you have to make the best of a bad situation.

Thanks for that. Hopefully all will be ok.

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Originally Posted by TurboTom

You know any races. I could be old enough to die for my country yet i cant do a fell race over 6 miles. Races should be judged on experience maybe one year only allowed to do shorts, one year mediums, one year longs that would be a fair way of deciding who is fit to run a race. I hate the fact that an 80 year old who is being hunted down by the grim reaper can run a fell race yet a fit 16 year old cannot. No wonder the talent is drying up.

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Can see where you're coming from in some respects, but have a look through the calender and i think there are chances for those between 16-18 to race for 40-50 mins even upto an hour depending on your ability. Obviously you've seen the welsh 1000 which is even longer 2 hours ish. But look at Lingmell dash jebbys record 45 mins you can do that at 16, dalehead same sort of time, dunnerdale later on is a good 50 mins. You've got plenty of time once over 18 to do lakeland classics if you are very keen now why not got some maps from pete bland sports and start reeceing them so you are fully prepared once old enough.

As an oap I would advise training for the distance. I know it's not a long race compared to the full distance but 10 miles and 4000ft of climb is no sprint. Don't forget, you still have to get yourself off the top.Most of it is runnable but there are a few very steep bits which on the day may be worth a fast walk to over them. There is also a strength sapping boggy bit after you cross the stream before Pen-y-pass.

Aye, i did a kentmere reccy yesterday, absolutly beautiful. Im already trying to get in the distance it would just be nice to have more options over the winter when there arent to many short races

Advice and info please!

I'm wanting to do this race this year, but unfortunately can't get a weekend away in time to recce the route. I know bits of it, but not enough to link it together, so how is route finding on this race?

Also, how tough a race is it? My longest fell race to date is Borrowdale. I know there's a bit of extra distance and ascent, but how does it compare?

Any other tips gratefully received!

thanks
Stumps...

http://forum.fellrunner.org.uk/showthread.php?t=6884

there you go mate :cool:

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Originally Posted by Fleeter

http://forum.fellrunner.org.uk/showthread.php?t=6884

there you go mate :cool:

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Thanks Fleeter. Some useful tips on that link.

I had intended to spend a weekend recceing the route, but the only weekend pass I can get from the Mrs is when I'll be doing Fairfield :D

sure you'll be fine,see you there

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I'm doing this for the first time this year. Now I know about not relying on following people and i'm a competent map reader blah blah blah, BUT is the field actually close enough to be able to follow the rouet?

I'm roughly a 3:30 marathoner so I should be middle (?) of the pack. Basically can I tuck my map away and follow the pack for most of the way?

I've not done the race but used to live in the area and I'd reckon on at least keeping the map to hand and having an idea of where you are - the Carneddau in particular can be pretty disorientating on the tops if visibility isn't good. Also getting down from the Glyderau to Pen y Pass isn't obvious even in good visibility and the field is likely to be spread out by then.

Agree with Bob, last year in fairly good conditions, though clag above 8-900m a lot of people got lost. Even last week in a race in the Carneddau some muppets got lost..(me)

It does get very spread out, I normally only ever see 2 or 3 people on this race. The first part on the Carneddau is worth a recce.

From the Bera's to Carnedd dafydd I'd keep the map out. The top of the Glyders section is also a bit nasty, only a few hundred metres long but enough that you can lose a lot of time and I've known even local runners get very lost.

Thanks, sadly no time for a recce but I've been on the Carneddau a few times. So by the sounds of it its pretty spread out - map to hand then!

Any veterans of this race out there?

I've just been planning my route. Between control G and pen-y-pass there's what looks like a large river (runs Llyn Lockwood - Llyn Cwmffynnon) that needs to be crossed.

Is it crossable, or is it worth a detour to the FB at the bootom of miners track?

Thanks!

If you mean the river that runs from Llyn Cwmffynnon you cross almost at the ourtflow, normally easily waded across.

I've got one chance to recce for the Welsh 1000m race this Saturday (30th). Anyone like to suggest a section I should do? Only one car so needs to be out and back.

The start, but park up at the falls car park, by the bridge, recce the line through the Bera's and around to Foel Grach and if you have time the line right across to Carnedd Dafydd, you could also do the descent to Fynnon Llugwy then climb back up using the track at the far end and back over Carnedd Llewelyn.

Thanks for that advice. Looks like great weather this Saturday.

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If you mean the river that runs from Llyn Cwmffynnon you cross almost at the ourtflow, normally easily waded across.

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Looking at the map, do you go around the Llyn clockwise or anti-clockwise? As I retired at Ogwen last year I didn't get that far. I know that you head towards the Llyn from the wall, but can't work out from which direction you approch PyP :confused:

Clockwise, around the LHS, you pick up a trod quite quickly, can be boggy though, worth a quick recce if you have time. The main thing is take the R turn at the broken down wall.

Thanks once again, Iain.