Pennine Bridleway Relay

If you really have a complaint about the FRA, please address it to me directly. My contact details are readily available from the magazine, website, handbook etc.

The forum is a good place for airing opinions - and everybody is free to do that, members, non-members, committee members, grumps - they are all entitled to their own opinions.

The forum is a public place, however, and it is possible that readers of the forum may not be receiving the full facts - or even facts - so I tend not to consider anything on here official. So, if you've something to say, and you really want me to hear it, let me have it by post, email or phone.

Yours in sport,
Alan Brentnall

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Originally Posted by Graham Breeze

Dear JD What I actually wrote was:

"... if there were to be a subsequent row between long standing UU tenants and some apparently uncontrollable fellrunners, where the sympathy of UU would lie."

I would have thought it was clear I was writing about UU and their perception of events.

An accurate remark in the saga of events don't you think?

GB

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Actually you weren't Graham - at least that's not how I interpret what you said. I did find your postings quite aloof.

Alluding that certain forumites were dim, uncontrollable fellrunners, and post 774 further emphasises that you are of the opinion that the majority of posters on this topic are dim and ill informed.

Following the Sportsunday post it seems it is not quite as cut and dry as you were making it out to be - ie. UU, Tenant framers, the Grump etc are all good, the plebes are all dim.

Please EVERYONE. Job done, right result. Move on.

Entries open today for this great event on the 5th of Feb next year .Limited to 100 team there are 36 places already taken...........are you in?:w00t:

yip

Fell Ponies team safely in the list :thumbup:

[and it 43 now :w00t: ]

On a positive note, I see that the PBR interactive map shows the location of the two most 'sensitive' gates, and emphasises the need to comply with PBR rule 19.

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Originally Posted by TheGrump

On a positive note, I see that the PBR interactive map shows the location of the two most 'sensitive' gates, and emphasises the need to comply with PBR rule 19.

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Interesting that there's two rule 19's :confused: It always surprises me that this has to be stated over and over again though, when you open a gate you close it afterwards, simples.

Interesting to see that gps as a navigational aid are not allowed (fair enough), but you are allowed to carry or wear such devices to record your run. How on earth that could be successfully policed I have no idea

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Originally Posted by Rob Furness

Interesting that there's two rule 19's :confused: It always surprises me that this has to be stated over and over again though, when you open a gate you close it afterwards, simples.

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I think that the problem could be one team opens a gate but doesnt close it because there is another team approaching. If they then leave it open for another team following them, the third team might not realise that the gate needs closing if they were out of sight when the first team went through.

Then again there might be some ignorant bastards who think 'f**k it closing the gate will cost us a few seconds' but you would hope these are few and far between

Ultimately everyone just has to shut gates, except where it is not feasible as the runners behind are already at the gate and we have to accept that it is not ignorant when someone in front of us closes the gate on us.

On the first leg of Calderdale 2 years ago the team about 50 yards in front of us opened a gate and it fell off its hinges, just in case it happens agian what is the correct procedure to follow in this situation

Can I remind runners about Rule 14:

"This is a bridleway and you may encounter horses and cycles on the route. Please slow down and give way and take extra special care around horses. Please show care and respect for other users."

As a check point marshal on this event, I have had to deal with two incidents, where runners have passed horses without slowing. On the first occasion the horse bolted, very fortunately without throwing the rider, who nevertheless was very badly shaken. On the second the rider maintained control but quite rightly complained about lack of consideration.

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Originally Posted by Richard Head

On the first leg of Calderdale 2 years ago the team about 50 yards in front of us opened a gate and it fell off its hinges, just in case it happens agian what is the correct procedure to follow in this situation

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I think the rules require at least one team member to have carpentry skills :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Deejay

I think the rules require at least one team member to have carpentry skills :rolleyes:

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We jsut carried on and left them to it. Didnt seem any need to stop, they looked like 2 strong lasses

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Originally Posted by FellJunior

Can I remind runners about Rule 14:

"This is a bridleway and you may encounter horses and cycles on the route. Please slow down and give way and take extra special care around horses. Please show care and respect for other users."

As a check point marshal on this event, I have had to deal with two incidents, where runners have passed horses without slowing. On the first occasion the horse bolted, very fortunately without throwing the rider, who nevertheless was very badly shaken. On the second the rider maintained control but quite rightly complained about lack of consideration.

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Personally Jim, I always do, but it would be nice if the riders, cyclists or walkers reciprocated. I find the "rambler" types particularly ignorant sometimes - not necessarily in races.

I think i'ts a good move by the R.O. to say the mixed teams now have to be man+lady on each leg......make team captains think about selection a bit more. See Accy have entered four mixed teams.

Any volunteers to marshall the remote gate at the top of the Gorple Road
( i have had to give an undertaking to UU that we will marshall this and one other gate) Thanks

Only 1 rule 19 now...corrected, thanks for pointing out this very serious matter. Cant police the gps thingy....must have got a dozen emails from people last year who obviously had never done a fell race but owned a smartphone with a map on it !

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Originally Posted by Rob Furness

Interesting that there's two rule 19's :confused: It always surprises me that this has to be stated over and over again though, when you open a gate you close it afterwards, simples.

Interesting to see that gps as a navigational aid are not allowed (fair enough), but you are allowed to carry or wear such devices to record your run. How on earth that could be successfully policed I have no idea

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Just about full up. 92 teams entered as of tonight.
Entry list extended 102 teams now entered.

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Originally Posted by Richard Head

On the first leg of Calderdale 2 years ago the team about 50 yards in front of us opened a gate and it fell off its hinges, just in case it happens agian what is the correct procedure to follow in this situation

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pick it up and put it back on it's hinges! care in the countryside and to protect the future of the race..

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Originally Posted by Lefty

Any volunteers to marshall the remote gate at the top of the Gorple Road
( i have had to give an undertaking to UU that we will marshall this and one other gate) Thanks

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I'll volunteer to help if i can. I know we talked about this today, over at Halifax, but thought I'd get the ball rolling on this forum as well.

I probably can't help with this gate though; i seemed to get lumbered with running leg 2 and even if i don't then the logistics of racing a leg and marshalling that gate (probably for several hours) are too difficult to resolve. Provided i get on a later leg (e.g Leg 3 onwards) then i can certainly help out at the start or on Leg 1.

I'll be in touch either way.

Andy. Thanks for your offer of help. If you are running a leg it's difficult to help out as the logistics tie you up for quite a bit more than just running. Maybe someone else will step up to offer to Marshall the 'problem' gates.
Good to meet you this weekend on the Fmr coaching course.
Event full up with 110 teams !

Seen a few teams out on leg recce's although after Christmas seems to be when the clubs get out on their Sunday morning course checking forays. The host club are doing leg recce's most Sunday mornings. If anyone is interested in coming along the contact details are on the event website. www.penninebridlewayrelay.co.uk

112 teams entered.

With the ridiculous moving of the CWR realistically taking the shine of the evnt is it time for the PBR to step up and become the best off road relay in the calender?

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Originally Posted by Clash City Rocker

With the ridiculous moving of the CWR realistically taking the shine of the evnt is it time for the PBR to step up and become the best off road relay in the calender?

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I didnt think it was ever a contest, Pennine has always been a far bettter relay than the CVR !!!!! leg 4 on CVR is pretty good, but thats the only leg i'd take across, infact i enjoy Bradford more than CVR, but Pennine every time ;)

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Originally Posted by multi coloured

I didnt think it was ever a contest, Pennine has always been a far bettter relay than the CVR !!!!! leg 4 on CVR is pretty good, but thats the only leg i'd take across, infact i enjoy Bradford more than CVR, but Pennine every time ;)

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Agreed I just meant in terms of prestige and popularity

With the more relaxed mass start times the PBR is at least a relay whereas CWR turns into a series of mass starts

The mini mass starts at the 2 last changeovers are only there to ensure that everyone finishes in daylight and so far it's worked out ok. We find that there are usually only a few teams who are set off before their handover. We do though have informal cut off times at the other changeovers if incoming teams are overdue. This ensures that the outgoing teams are not left hanging around and getting cold. We issue them with a new dibber timer chip and send them on their way.The Sportident timing system makes all of this easy and I hate to think of the problems we would have if we had to do the timing longhand. Last year we used a system whereby the times from each changeover are sent back to base by SMS which gives instant results. 112 teams entered now ! Close the gates !

Just one or two stragglers still to enter. We have just about let everyone in who wanted to. Any teams on the 'Waiting list' have been let in. We will be assigning team numbers this weekend so have a look on the event website soon to see what your team number is. If you are unsure please speak to your team captain or the person who entered your team. With multiple teams entered from some clubs it can be confusing. We want to make sure that you collect your correct number at the start of your leg.

looking forward to this now
recce'ing the latter half of Leg 2 tomorrow (know the first half from having done Haworth Hobble)

Only half of it ?

Anyone doing any reccying this Sunday after the thrills of cross country champs Saturday ???? :w00t:

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Originally Posted by Lefty

Only half of it ?

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my relay partner clairster & I out-n-backed from Callis Bridge to Widdop, so about 14 miles
bit on the breezy side, but mostly glorious for January, with some splendid views (even did a minor diversion up to the trig on Standing Stone Hill), plus identified a couple of places where one might go wrong at speed, so well worthwhile :thumbup:

Check out the event website as we have now assigned numbers to the teams. It's important that everyone knows their team number in order that they collect the correct number at the start of each leg. It can be confusing when clubs have multiple teams entered. www.penninebridlewayrelay.co.uk

Pennine Bridleway Relay teams entered 2012 Full list of teams and team numbers

1 Accrington A Mixed (Must be a Man & a Lady on each leg)
2 Accrington B Mixed (Must be a Man & a Lady on each leg)
3 Accrington C Mixed (Must be a Man & a Lady on each leg)
4 Accrington D Mixed (Must be a Man & a Lady on each leg)
5 Bingley Harriers Open
6 Bingley Harriers Mixed (Must be a Man & a Lady on each leg)
7 Blackburn Harriers A Open
8 Blackburn Harriers B Open
9 Blackpool Wyre and Fylde A Open
10 Blackpool Wyre and Fylde B Open
11 Borrowdale Fell Runners Open
12 Bowland Fell Runners Open
13 Bowland Fell Runners Vets
14 Burnden Road Runners Open
15 Burnden Road Runners Mixed (Must be a Man & a Lady on each leg)
16 Burnden Road Runners Vets
17 Bury AC Open
18 Calder Valley Fell Runners Ladies
19 Calder Valley Fell Runners A Open
20 Calder Valley Fell Runners B Open
21 Calder Valley Fell Runners C Open
22 Chorley Harriers & Tri Open
23 Chorley Harriers & Tri Vets
24 Chorley Harriers & Tri Ladies
25 Clayton Le Moors Harriers A Open
26 Clayton Le Moors Harriers A Vets
27 Clayton Le Moors Harriers A Ladies
28 Clayton Le Moors Harriers B Open
29 Clayton Le Moors Harriers B Vets
30 Clayton Le Moors Harriers B Ladies
31 Clayton Le Moors Harriers X Open
32 Clayton Z Vets
33 Dallam Running Club Mixed (Must be a Man & a Lady on each leg)
34 Dallam Running Club Open
35 Dark Peak Ladies
36 Dark Peak Vets
37 Darwen Dashers RC Vets
38 Darwen Dashers RC A Mixed (Must be a Man & a Lady on each leg)
39 Darwen Dashers RC B Mixed (Must be a Man & a Lady on each leg)
40 East Cheshire Harriers Open
41 East Cheshire Harriers Vets
42 East Cheshire Harriers Ladies
43 ECRC Open
44 Eden Runners Open
45 Eden Runners Mixed (Must be a Man & a Lady on each leg)
46 Fell Ponies Open
47 Greater Manchester Fire & Rescue Service Open
48 Heptonstall Hurriers - The Cross Open
49 Heptonstall Hurriers - The Lion Open
50 Horwich RMI Vets
51 Horwich RMI A Mixed (Must be a Man & a Lady on each leg)
52 Horwich RMI B Open
53 Horwich RMI A Open
54 Horwich RMI B Mixed (Must be a Man & a Lady on each leg)
55 Howgill Harriers Open
56 Ilkley Harriers Open
57 KCAC Open Open
58 Keighley and Craven AC Open
59 Keighley and Craven AC A Ladies
60 Keighley and Craven AC B Ladies
61 Middleton Harriers Open
62 Middleton Harriers Ladies
63 MTC Didsbury Open
64 MTC MAC Ladies
65 MTC Stretford Open
66 Otley AC Mixed (Must be a Man & a Lady on each leg)
67 Preston Harriers Open
68 Preston Harriers Ladies
69 Preston Harriers Vets
70 Pudsey and Bramley Ladies
71 Pudsey Pacers A Open
72 Pudsey Pacers B Open
73 Radcliffe AC A Open
74 Radcliffe AC B Open
75 Rochdale Harriers & AC Open
76 Rochdale Harriers & AC Mixed (Must be a Man & a Lady on each leg)
77 Rochdale Tri A Open
78 Rochdale Tri B Open
79 Rossendale Harriers Vets
80 Rossendale Harriers A Open
81 Rossendale Harriers A Ladies
82 Rossendale Harriers B Open
83 Rossendale Harriers B Ladies
84 Rossendale Harriers C Open
85 Rossendale Harriers D Open
86 Royton Road Runners Mixed (Must be a Man & a Lady on each leg)
87 Royton Road Runners Open
88 Royton Road Runners Vets
89 Saddleworth Runners Mixed (Must be a Man & a Lady on each leg)
90 Saddleworth Runners Open
91 Sale Harriers Manchester Mixed (Must be a Man & a Lady on each leg)
92 Sale Harriers Manchester A Open
93 Sale Harriers Manchester B Open
94 Salford Harriers Open
95 Salford Harriers Mixed (Must be a Man & a Lady on each leg)
96 Stainland Lions A Open
97 Stainland Lions B Open
98 Stockport Harriers Open
99 Tameside Tigers Vets
100 Thornton Cleveleys Running club Open
101 Todmorden Harriers A Ladies
102 Todmorden Harriers A Open
103 Todmorden Harriers B Ladies
104 Todmorden Harriers B Open
105 Trawden Ladies
106 Trawden A Open
107 Trawden B Open
108 Wesham Road Runners A Open
109 Wesham Road Runners B Open
110 Wesham Road Runners C Open
111 Wharfedale Harriers Open
112 Wharfedale Harriers Mixed (Must be a Man & a Lady on each leg)
113 Wharfedale Harriers Vets
114 Wharfedale Harriers A Ladies
115 Wharfedale Harriers B Ladies
116 Wigan Harriers & AC Open
116 Teams

Some parking secured ( at a cost) at Callis Bridge, could still be a bit tight. Car share if possible, spectators please avoid the changeovers. It's looking good though !

Just this week had a letter from the Fra sent out to all relay organisers reminding us of our responsibilities regarding kit and kit checks. We treat our kit checking seriously everyone's kit is checked at the start of their leg, hope everyone knows the rules. We get lots of non regular fell runners which worries me a bit. Check out the website.
wwwpenninebridlewayrelay.co.uk

I'm doing a recce for leg 5 on Thursday 26th, 10.30 at the leg start. All welcome, I've not done it before so don't blame me if we get lost!Pace will be steady, to suit the slowest runner; there's no point doing a recce with your head down and your tongue hanging out.

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I'm doing a recce for leg 5 on Thursday 26th, 10.30 at the leg start. All welcome, I've not done it before so don't blame me if we get lost!Pace will be steady, to suit the slowest runner; there's no point doing a recce with your head down and your tongue hanging out.

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I'll mention it to our 2 pub teams....both aiming for top half finishes.... then back for a pint.

Any volunteers to help out with kit checks and registration at the 2nd changeover at Callis Bridge 9.00 tip 1.00 email me at [email protected]