Hard luck Daz. Good effort getting that far today by the sound of it!!Quote:
Originally Posted by DazTheSlug
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Hard luck Daz. Good effort getting that far today by the sound of it!!Quote:
Originally Posted by DazTheSlug
You looked fresh when I snapped you Daz.... :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by DazTheSlug
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you've caught my good side there dom - I must employ you to stand 100 yards from the start on all my races! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by dominion
I made it as far as Sty head, went ok up gable and descent was fine but legs just gave in as soon as I hit harder ground. Long walk back to wasdale head. That heat made everything hard work, my legs are totally battered even now, I got blisters on one heel for some reason, and one of my feet is very sore after booting a tree root or something in greendale. Respect to anyone who finished, I'd had enough by pillar but slogged on until I really couldn't go any further. I'll be back another year.
Not enough carbs on the way round Rob? Styhead to Broad Crag Col is rough in places but the gradient is steady at worst. I knew if I made it to Styhead I would finish, albeit slowly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob Furness
Erm....the thermal Daz!!? :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by dominion
that's rightQuote:
Originally Posted by that_fjell_guy
I wore a thermal top as a bet to see if I could induce heat-stroke
Anyone know what the winning time was?
We were climbing on Scafell (getting cold in the shade) and watched a few people running/walking down Lingmell in the late afternoon. I'd been wishing I'd entered until I got out the car at 8.30am and the heat hit me!
Nice photos Brian. You have to give Lloyd credit taking time out from an English Championship race to have a dip :thumbup:Quote:
Originally Posted by BrianH
Paul Dobsons photos, not mine. Beautiful day though and some good shots.
A little over 3:55 according to my camera.Quote:
Originally Posted by Toreador
A chastening experience indeed! I was feeling quite good when we were running together until I got hit by cramp - felt like I'd been harpooned in both legs! It was just a case of survival after that.Quote:
Originally Posted by ba-ba
Apologies for not joining you at the pub on the night Nic. We went up to see the others at the hut with the best intentions of carrying on to the pub but once Mr Soles told us how much beer he had, the odds of us getting out before midnight lengthened considerably!
I don't think it was carbs. Just too hot for me and think I overheated. Sat looking at Scafell and thought no chance!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike T
Like many others I really suffered too. I felt pretty grim by Greendale despite a very gentle start and had cramp before Seat Allen that just gradually got worse as the day went on. I had to stop on the hard shoulder 3 times driving home to deal with bouts of cramp. What has surprised me most though is that 3 days on I still feel crap and feel that I have pulled my left calf which is still too sore to touch in addition to DOMS worse than I have ever experienced. Are others finding the post race recovery as hard?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob Furness
Being on the verge of, or getting heat exhaustion is a pretty serious thing. If you can't keep cool enough, by sweat (which means good hydration , liquid / salts ) or other means ( taking a dip in a tarn :D ) then the results can be pretty bad and it can take while to feel right againQuote:
Originally Posted by Corniceman
What surprised me about wasdale was the number of runners who didn't seem to be carrying water. I ran with a camelback and constantly sipped water all the way around, felt reasonably good considering the conditions. I realise carrying extra supplies isn't always best for speed but for most of us the longs are about getting around. The top lads/lasses are incredible athletes and seem to get by on bare essentials. Your average runner need to keep refuelling, it's one hell of a hard task doing wasdale no matter what the weather. Just carrying a small bottle and filling up whenever possible doesn't always work on days of extreme temperature, you're already dehydrated before the next chance of water. Hats off to everybody who give it a go and roll on next year.
It depends on the person. I wonder how much drinking is a mental thing.. I train with a strong african runner.. we meet at 8:30 am on a sunday and do up to 20 mile trail runs.. all he has is a coffee when he wakes up.. no breakfast.. no water or food on the run and we run the routes at low to mid 6;00 min miling so not a steady trot...Quote:
Originally Posted by Tindersticks
He's convinced we don't need as much as we think we do....
True, it is possible to get round without as much fluids as people think. Totally agree with this African guy for training purposes, much like my approach (most of you probably not counting milk as breakfast).
But it amazes me how most fellrunners think they don't need to carry/arrange an energy drink to get the best performance in an AM.. carrying a bottle uphill is hardly much of an inconvenience. Who would claim to run their best Half Marathon without some gels/energy drink?
Any news on when we might expect to see results/splits?
Interesting topic this. I did not carry water, but drank more than usual immediately before the race, knew there would be drinks at Greendale, and assumed there would be some available after that - which there was. I was offered drinks by complete strangers before Kirkfell, after Great Gable, and the marshals at Esk Hause offered me some. I did not drink from the fells, but splashed myself and dunked my hat several times. I was thirsty, but know from experience that I can cope with 5% loss of body weight in hot conditions - based on a 20 mile run on a day in the high 20s, having weighed myself before/after and having eaten/drunk nothing during the run. I know it is not recommended to go beyond 2-3% weight loss. Dehydration is not the same as heat illness - the former slows you down and eventually stops you - the latter can kill. Heat illness is uncommon in recreational events where participants can set their own pace and decide on intake/clothing, though vigilance is necessary, and occasionally the worst can happen, even in those who are experienced. Hyponatremia from excessive drinking is a real risk in long road races with frequent drink stations, but is less of a threat where people have to carry there own supplies.
Mike that is really interesting. I complained to a club mate whilst ascending beyond Greendale that despite the heat I kept feeling cold and had goose bumps all over my arms. I have had that before in hot conditions and it is soon followed by cramp which it was on Saturday. What causes that feeling of being cold?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike T
That's exactly my experience. I still feel terrible today and both my quads are extremely sore. I managed a gentle run yesterday to loosen up but it hasn't done much good. I woke up this morning feeling very very hot and sick. This has happened to me before after getting too much sun. Disconcerting but nothing new. I did carry fluid and drank plenty plus kept wetting my hat. I also experienced the shivering and cold feeling at times despite being very hot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Corniceman
Sign of heat stress. Due to raised adrenaline levels.Quote:
Originally Posted by Corniceman
Yes it is an interesting topic.. i don't generally eat and drink much in races, even long ones. I did Ennerdale last time consuming only water and 3 jelly beans. On Sat i carried a bottle, which don't often do.. but the minimal extra weight won't slow you down anywhere near as much as dehydration. There was plenty of water en route i think i could have got away without it. Used 4 energy gels in the race, paced it steady and finished feeling fine. I didn't feel too hot at any point, and didn't dunk myself in streams/lakes because i think sudden peripheral vasoconstriction is a bad idea when you're running in hot weather. I wasn't excessively thirsty after the race and recovered quickly. I think if you're fit you can cope with any conditions.. if you try to run Wasdale with suspect fitness, and/or pace it badly, you'll suffer. If it's hot as well, you'll suffer more..
Temp regulation is screwed isn't it.. basically thats time to quit. I thought that was a sure sign of heat stroke.Quote:
Originally Posted by Corniceman
Interesting this... Ts'otleho always runs his half marathons off nothing.. and has pb's of 66 minutes and is probably in 64/65 shape but his last one was in humid windy conditions, he just swills water around his mouth.. doesn't even swallow as he thinks the signals are enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by LissaJous
But we're both focusing on Berlin now and he's worried about having to eat, how to eat and when to eat as its so alien to him. He's got this big grudge on western food producers for programming our bodies to need sugar.. need breakfast..
It sounds like several people had borderline heat exhaustion - if it had progressed to heat stroke they would have had to be hospitalized.
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/hea...CTION=symptoms
Given the multiple steep descents I think DOMS affecting particularly the quads is to be expected.
glad I abandoned after 1 mile seeing the state of some of the later abandonees coming into the field.
I've always reasoned on an hour to an hour 30 without needing a drink. I certainly didn't bother with drinks / gels (not that they really existed!) on anything up to half marathon distance when I was racing (half marathon best of 67, never raced further). A gulp of water if it was a hot day at most.Quote:
Originally Posted by IainR
I do think it's a very personal thing based on what you're used to and have trained to do.
Quite an experience at the weekend! Lots of ordeals reported by forumites - perhaps we should train better and write less ;). As for me I tried to set off as slowly as possible but just kept getting hotter. Got going after CP2 and enjoyed the section though Pillar and round Kirk Fell. Really ran out of steam near the top of Gable and stopped for 12 minutes to eat all my food and considered dropping out. Got going again and felt OK round to the Pike - at last a cool breeze. Got even better as I descended until I clipped a rock and went flying landing like a sack of spuds. My screams were heard by most of the walker who came to rescue me - thanks for that. After a couple of minutes of groaning I plodded down. Legs felt fine to be honest just no power on the ascents and too hot ever to feel like pushing on. Think I got round in about 5:45. At least I might get a on next year. Well done to all who got round it was a day to survive I reckon.
I ran a recent half pb in strong winds on my own at the front of the race in 75 mins, pb of almost 5 minutes, and took nothing and felt fine.. always thought I needed a gel in a half but it was a nothing race so had a try.Quote:
Originally Posted by dominion
Aye deffo personal I think your body gets used to how you train and prepare. I certainly need to eat before a run. I can do early morning runs but breaking an 8 minute mile is like bringing on a heart attack... yet if I get up an hour earlier, get a coffee and toast.. then meet people at 6 am I can run low 7's no issue at all.
You meet people at 6 in the morning?? The milkman? Well done!! Just having my breakfast then : )
Aye.. he has young kids so needs to run before they get up.. so its 6 am for a 45 min run.. I'm shattered by 10 am then...Quote:
Originally Posted by geofpet
Pleased with 5 hours ish on Saturday. Took a small drink at Greendale but was feeling good there so didn't stop, filled a small bottle at the stream crossing to last. Had a gel on each big climb but took no solids on board. Getting long mountain runs in seems to be the answer for me, although not everybody has that benefit. I did 12miles around Scafell and Gable prior to the race on Tuesday, in the heat. 6 mile faster trail run on Thursday. Post race, day off Sunday (working), Monday 3 mile out and back on road in heat, 25 mins. Legs OK, body tired, breathing hard. Dislike road running. Tuesday club run with BCR, up to Seathwaite Tarn and Dow Crag descend Brown Pike Walna Scar, recovering well I think. Out for a longer run Friday. I hope everyone else is recovering after such a hot day, looking forward to Borrowdale now.
My first foray, hello fellow fell runners, so Wasdale, I got round, in a patent full body cover and total immersion technique that kept me cool. all that army training did not go to waste. Sad for those 2 boys in the Brecons, and after experiences in hot combat zones, - some one is gonna be in trouble... I am surprised the results for wasdale are not up yet, am I being dim, are they some where i have not seen, its like i put me 50p in an envelope and I am still waiting for the xeroxed copy to arrive.. How delightfully old school, I just hope no one is complaining about cancelling this race because it was too hot. Those of us that prepared, or were lucky got round. I'll be interested if anyone even took a picture of the first 38 hand written out! Also - thanks to the organisers, marshalls and cake ladies, I also organise races and a Junior section in my club so i understand it can all go pearshaped sometimes! Ben
Welcome to the BIG forum Ben! (Assuming who you are..) Well done on getting round, sounds like you still have a bit of heat stroke there...
No-one's mentioning anything in public about shortening champs races due to extreme weather, no, but the tragic incident in the Brecons does put it into context (I recall from 'SAS are you dumb enough' that the TV-recruits were reprimanded for taking their jackets off). In places where the temperature is routinely so high, a race would often start at 8 or 9 in the morning.
Results: CFRA often take a few days to get the results up on the site, and it's a 50:50 whether they appear first on Powerof10 or Fellrunner... I bet the former! Did you finish 38th or summin?
LJ
I have quite a few pics taken on the final descent off Lingmell to the finish; if you let me know your race number I'll see if you've been framed.
Almost There!
http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3793/9...82bed436_z.jpg
Almost There! by Andy Holden, on Flickr
Brilliant......and it almost makes it look like an overcast and cool day!!Quote:
Originally Posted by wharfeego