Edale Skyline Fell Race

Thanks. Always nice to know you're getting it vaguely right :D Hoping to get over early fri morning for another look but Mr T&C is sat at home with a recently bust knee so need to earn some brownie points first :rolleyes:

Hi,

Does anyone fancy car sharing/a lift out to edale on the day? I'll be driving out from sheffield (woodseats area). Seems silly to take a car with just 1 person in it, so i'm happy to hook up with anyone. Just let me know. drop me a PM or something

Glen

Did the mam Nick to Grindslow with marvin this morning. It was a little chilly.

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Originally Posted by IanDarkpeak

Did the mam Nick to Grindslow with marvin this morning. It was a little chilly.

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Was it still really firm and still plenty of snow around? I found on sunday you could run on the untouched snow and it was firm so just like running on the road in places.

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Originally Posted by GlenBorrell

Was it still really firm and still plenty of snow around? I found on sunday you could run on the untouched snow and it was firm so just like running on the road in places.

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no not really snow fields were mushy. but there was ice under 1 inch of mud which made it very slippy. The grass is still frozen though.

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Originally Posted by IanDarkpeak

no not really snow fields were mushy. but there was ice under 1 inch of mud which made it very slippy. The grass is still frozen though.

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So if it slowly get warmer over the next week and a half the conditions will be right messy!! Looks like it's going to be a fun first running for me. bar the training run of course.

Just back from a recce of the section round to Crowden Brook. Hard frosty grass and peat, but snow starting to get soft.

Not on race route, but a brilliant descent off Grindslow towards Tipps!

starting to dread this a bit - feel out of shape thanks to recent motivation-dip

just mulling over the best training run for this weekend ...

eeeek, cue the barage of abuse........ :o

I might not do this now. After trying as hard as I might to get to the lakes and do a few long days out up there over the last month or so the weather has really quoshed any plans. However, it looks like we are having a mini thaw? Here's hoping.

If the snow top reports come in as favourable next week then it makes much more sense for me to get up to the lakes rather than race Edale again. SO, my place will be up for grabs.

At what point does anyone know is the last day I can 'swap' it and how do I go about that? Are there any official channels to go through or can I just 'hand it out' to the first person that PM's me?

Ta muchly

Emm :)

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Originally Posted by emmilou

eeeek, cue the barage of abuse........ :o

I might not do this now. After trying as hard as I might to get to the lakes and do a few long days out up there over the last month or so the weather has really quoshed any plans. However, it looks like we are having a mini thaw? Here's hoping.

If the snow top reports come in as favourable next week then it makes much more sense for me to get up to the lakes rather than race Edale again. SO, my place will be up for grabs.

At what point does anyone know is the last day I can 'swap' it and how do I go about that? Are there any official channels to go through or can I just 'hand it out' to the first person that PM's me?

Ta muchly

Emm :)

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Unfortunately;

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To take account of the inevitable dropouts and no shows more runners receive an entry than the entry limit. Hence there is not a waiting list, there are absolutely no entries on the day and the entries are not transferable

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It's a shame but i guess DarkPeak have enough to do in just organising the race at all, without making it hard for themselves.

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Originally Posted by AndyA

Unfortunately;

To take account of the inevitable dropouts and no shows more runners receive an entry than the entry limit. Hence there is not a waiting list, there are absolutely no entries on the day and the entries are not transferable

It's a shame but i guess DarkPeak have enough to do in just organising the race at all, without making it hard for themselves.

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Of course the number of drop-outs (and hard work for Dark Peak) might have been less had the start date for applications been a few months closer to the date of the race!!

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Originally Posted by Rudolph Hooker

Of course the number of drop-outs (and hard work for Dark Peak) might have been less had the start date for applications been a few months closer to the date of the race!!

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Why:confused:

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Originally Posted by AndyA

Unfortunately;



It's a shame but i guess DarkPeak have enough to do in just organising the race at all, without making it hard for themselves.

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Oh no :o that's not good. Can understand the easying of the workload but had really hoped someone could run in my place.

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Originally Posted by Rudolph Hooker

Of course the number of drop-outs (and hard work for Dark Peak) might have been less had the start date for applications been a few months closer to the date of the race!!

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Originally Posted by AndyA

Why:confused:

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I think he means because in previous years the entry was open for the race post January, in this case it was last October/November time.

Had we had a mild winter and plans were on schedule I wouldn't have hesitated to do it as am not injured etc however with a BG only 7 weeks away it makes more sense to get to the lakes if I can :o Sadly I couldn't predict the snow.

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Originally Posted by AndyA

Why:confused:

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Well I didn't bother applying at the right time; it was ages ago wasn't it?

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Originally Posted by Rudolph Hooker

Of course the number of drop-outs (and hard work for Dark Peak) might have been less had the start date for applications been a few months closer to the date of the race!!

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ooops

Yuk :eek: Went round 2nd half early this morning. Icy wind, rain, then sleet then snow. Soaked through & frozen within first 1/2 hour. Conditions underfoot were pretty crap too.

Managed all of it ok except racing line to Crowden clough where i somehow dropped back onto the path. Sideways sleet & frozen fingers meant couldn't be bothered with the compass & was so sure I was heading in the right direction :o Anyone know if the racing line is still a viable option with all the snow? Was really hoping to have a good look at this section but had lost the will to live at this point.

Just back from scrummy pub lunch & feeling much better about this mornings efforts now :D

I tried to find that line last month in snow and fog and ended up back on the path within about 350 yards. I'd obviously not gone far enough on the bearing, but decided that fog with path was better than fog and no path.

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Originally Posted by Brotherton Lad

I tried to find that line last month in snow and fog and ended up back on the path within about 350 yards. I'd obviously not gone far enough on the bearing, but decided that fog with path was better than fog and no path.

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I ran it with a friend a few weeks ago, masses of snow & glorious sunshine. We seemed to take quite a good direct line but so much snow we had no idea how it would look once it had thawed. Not sure I would be brave enough to try it wth the clag down, good effort :)

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Originally Posted by ZootHornRollo

starting to dread this a bit - feel out of shape thanks to recent motivation-dip

just mulling over the best training run for this weekend ...

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Stay in with a nice cup of tea and watch Eddie Izzard on iplayer, if that doesn't motivate you, nothing will! Good luck.

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Originally Posted by Tea & cake

Anyone know if the racing line is still a viable option with all the snow? Was really hoping to have a good look at this section but had lost the will to live at this point.

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wasn't very good earlier in the week, too much heavy snow.

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Originally Posted by Tea & cake

I ran it with a friend a few weeks ago, masses of snow & glorious sunshine. We seemed to take quite a good direct line but so much snow we had no idea how it would look once it had thawed. Not sure I would be brave enough to try it wth the clag down, good effort :)

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Not that brave. All I had to do was head SE to get back to the path before going over the edge into Edale.
What I have found in clag is that my mind when tired is not tuned in to 25000
maps and I over-estimate how far I've gone. I did several years of orienteering in Cyprus on 10000 and 15000 maps and those scales seem to have stuck. Not much clag in Cyprus either.

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Originally Posted by IanDarkpeak

wasn't very good earlier in the week, too much heavy snow.

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Thanks IDP.

this thread seems very quiet despite it's impending running. Hope to get out for one more recce back end of week to check the snow on the "shortcuts" ;)

If any one is going just to watch and would like to help out there are still a few spots open.

Ian, do you think there'll still be snow by the weekend? I've started to take an interest in the weather forecast for the Edale area and it looks like it'll be pretty warm this week (relatively speaking). Also, is there usually a marquee or something at the start where I could dump a bag? The drive from Ilkley is hideous so I'm going to come on the bike if at all possible.

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Originally Posted by Trimm Trab

Ian, do you think there'll still be snow by the weekend? I've started to take an interest in the weather forecast for the Edale area and it looks like it'll be pretty warm this week (relatively speaking). Also, is there usually a marquee or something at the start where I could dump a bag? The drive from Ilkley is hideous so I'm going to come on the bike if at all possible.

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You can leave a bag in the Village hall(registration) or you can put it in my car as long as you don't finish in under 3.50:o

Forgot to answer snow question.

Last week there was plenty on the Kinder side, not too much around mam tor but a bit going up Brown Knoll. It's been pretty warmish and sunny so more will have gone. The short cuts had lots of deep snow in them midweek.. The rim path also had drifts across the path but these were well trod down. I'll update later after my trot round.

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Originally Posted by IanDarkpeak

Forgot to answer snow question.

Last week there was plenty on the Kinder side, not too much around mam tor but a bit going up Brown Knoll. It's been pretty warmish and sunny so more will have gone. The short cuts had lots of deep snow in them midweek.. The rim path also had drifts across the path but these were well trod down. I'll update later after my trot round.

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Ta....could do to know if a KD will be worth an attempt if the lakes visit isn't a go-er (for the week after Edale though!)

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Originally Posted by IanDarkpeak

You can leave a bag in the Village hall(registration) or you can put it in my car as long as you don't finish in under 3.50:o

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That would be extremely helpful; I'll PM you nearer the time if that's OK? I don't think there's much chance of me finishing in under 4 hours so don't worry about that - and if I should fall in a bog on Brown Knoll never to be seen again you'll have yourself a nice set of leathers!

Regarding the route - off Lose Hill is the idea to get to the first wall/fence after the summit then take a half-left down to a level path that cuts out Back Tor?

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Originally Posted by Trimm Trab

Regarding the route - off Lose Hill is the idea to get to the first wall/fence after the summit then take a half-left down to a level path that cuts out Back Tor?

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Yes - and it's normally marshalled and flagged.

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Originally Posted by Trimm Trab

The drive from Ilkley is hideous so I'm going to come on the bike if at all possible.

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I thought you meant push bike til i read your later post mentioning leathers. Didn't like to say owt, just thought blimey, he's a bit keen :eek: :o

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Originally Posted by IanDarkpeak

Forgot to answer snow question.

Last week there was plenty on the Kinder side, not too much around mam tor but a bit going up Brown Knoll. It's been pretty warmish and sunny so more will have gone. The short cuts had lots of deep snow in them midweek.. The rim path also had drifts across the path but these were well trod down. I'll update later after my trot round.

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Had a run round yesterday, most of the snow is still deep in the short cuts. The compact snow around the rim is also there but is giving way at times which makes quite interesting running.

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Originally Posted by Andymac

Had a run round yesterday, most of the snow is still deep in the short cuts. The compact snow around the rim is also there but is giving way at times which makes quite interesting running.

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Hi all

Did Mam Nick to finish inc RR today. It's a lot less snowy under foot and pretty clear apart from very small patches around BK. Short cuts still had some snow but not enough now to avoid them.

BK though is back to it's mud sucking best and very wet on the climb up to the Trig.

Once back on Kinder there are patches of deep old snow. It is worth noting that some of these are VERY hollow underneath esp in groughs with running water or by the edges. Please treat with caution!!!!!

The continued forcast is warm and sunny so we should loose more snow. Most of the heather/grass still has a perma frost and is very hard underfoot. There is water in all the cloughs so if you are dehydrated....

Conditions can only improve with the forcasted weather.

Worth mentioning is that although the valley was balmy and very spring like the top still had a biting wind.

I'll post some picture later

Not sure whether my leg will be strong enough for this now:(

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Originally Posted by daz h

Not sure whether my leg will be strong enough for this now:(

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thats a shame:( you'd probably still beat me though.

You could marshall if you are coming over to watch? but I prefer you racing if you are up to it.

I was thinking of you today when I stood on top of GK with RR looking tantilisingly close. up and down??????? or round the top???????

Don't think my quads would take it so far in to the race:o

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Originally Posted by IanDarkpeak

Once back on Kinder there are patches of deep old snow. It is worth noting that some of these are VERY hollow underneath esp in groughs with running water or by the edges. Please treat with caution!!!!!

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We noticed that yesterday. Had to make quite a few detours to avoid falling into gaping holes in the snow.

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Originally Posted by IanDarkpeak

Worth mentioning is that although the valley was balmy and very spring like the top still had a biting wind.

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We noticed that as well. Got a bit too much for us as we passed Brown Knoll on our way from South Head so we dropped down west and headed back to Hayfield.

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Originally Posted by IanDarkpeak

I was thinking of you today when I stood on top of GK with RR looking tantilisingly close. up and down??????? or round the top???????

Don't think my quads would take it so far in to the race:o

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How many people are brave/stupid enough to do the up and down? I was hoping to recce it and have a go, but never got a chance so will have to do it blind if I'm silly enough.

After spenging sunday's race passing keith on all the downs only to have the speedy git come past me on the ups, I think any climb should be avoided at all costs though!

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Originally Posted by PaulE

How many people are brave/stupid enough to do the up and down? I was hoping to recce it and have a go, but never got a chance so will have to do it blind if I'm silly enough.

After spenging sunday's race passing keith on all the downs only to have the speedy git come past me on the ups, I think any climb should be avoided at all costs though!

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If you search the skyline thread from 2006 & 7 I was on marshall duty on GK and counted them, If I remember it was about 12 of the top 30 and then a few die hards maybe another 10? out of the rest. If it was earlier in the race I think I would do it but at the end you would need to be going well. it's a big descent with tired legs to then reclimb up to RR.

the question is though Paul will you be out the day after for the start of the Summer series?????

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Originally Posted by PaulE

How many people are brave/stupid enough to do the up and down? I was hoping to recce it and have a go, but never got a chance so will have to do it blind if I'm silly enough.

After spenging sunday's race passing keith on all the downs only to have the speedy git come past me on the ups, I think any climb should be avoided at all costs though!

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Lloyd normally does it and it doesn't seem to do him any harm! But when Daz tried it I very nearly caught him, having been several minutes behind him at GK.

The best advice I've had for the GK direct to RR line is from an old DPFR hand:
'Many have tried and few have succeeded'

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Originally Posted by GeoffB

Lloyd normally does it (Insert here) and it doesn't seem to do him any harm! But when Daz tried it I very nearly caught him, having been several minutes behind him at GK.

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you need to add "with a smile on his face"