I'm with your there Chris. He talks a lot of sense and has a depth of knowledge.Quote:
Originally Posted by Derby Tup
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I'm with your there Chris. He talks a lot of sense and has a depth of knowledge.Quote:
Originally Posted by Derby Tup
This preview of the voting slip, may help the undecided https://i.imgur.com/vrULsZj.jpg
I find it really interesting to look at the breakdown of the opinion polls published by the Economist. No editorial slant, just the numbers.
http://www.economist.com/blogs/graph...-eu-referendum
It allows you to break down all of those polled by categories.
It's fascinating.
Short summary, in general, Labour & Lib Dems vote Remain, UKIP vote Leave, and the party whose supporters most accurately reflect the general public on this issue is the Conservatives. I didn't see that coming.
The North wants to leave (just), the South wants to stay (just) ..... which is probably a reflection of:
The rich want to stay and the poor want to leave. I suspect that there's a fair amount of "I'm doing alright at the moment so I'm voting with the status quo" going on in people's heads. Fear of the unknown and "better the devil you know".
Scotland wants to remain and Wales wants to leave. Of all things, this is what worries me the most. I have an awful feeling that this is going to go to the wire and it will be rural Scotland/Wales that tips the balance one way or the other. Remain or Leave, I think the internal constitutional arrangements of the UK will be revisited a lot sooner than anyone imagined.
Women and men are equally split. Good. It should reflect the general population.
The young want to remain and the old want to leave. I find this the most interesting of all. I have no explanations for this one. Anyone?
The other good link for looking at details is the British Election Study map of likely vote totals in different areas.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...ote-eu-8258198
In summary, the bigger the city, the greater the remain vote ....... in conjunction with the Rich/Poor stats from the polls, clearly our cities aren't the pit of urban poverty that they're usually made out to be.
What does it say about us fellrunners ....... the flattest part of the country (The Fens) has the largest remain vote. Lakeland slightly tips towards Leave and the Dales are split down the middle.
Whatever your viewpoint, no vote is a wasted vote today so get out and vote.
I really don't understand Scotland, they seem to want to leave the UK but remain in Europe.
Should the Scottish votes count? Nicola wots her name has said that if we vote to leave they will do their own thing anyway.
One explanation https://www.theguardian.com/society/...-eu-referendum with a bit of editorial slantQuote:
Originally Posted by Pitfall Harry
Cross placed in bottom box.
And one in the top box. Although we'll cancel each other out, at least we won't be considered apathetic voters.
While the polls are open, it is a criminal offence for anyone, not just broadcasters, to publish anything about the way in which people have voted in the referendum, where that is based on information given by voters after they have voted.Quote:
Originally Posted by noel
I voted out, see you in Jail.
I am firmly in the 'leave' camp. I am heartened to read on this forum that there are many deciding to vote leave too .
I feel in Britain a sense that we have lost something, not only with modernity but because of the 'community' with the rest of Europe. To quote John Major:
'Fifty years on from now, Britain will still be the country of long shadows on cricket grounds, warm beer, invincible green suburbs, dog lovers and pools fillers and, as George Orwell said, 'Old maids bicycling to holy communion through the morning mist' .
It isn't even that now, 20 years after that was written.
I blame this on the inability of Britain to see itself as a separate nation. I feel it is hamstrung, to a certain extent, by the far reaching claws of Europe, homogenising our lives to the point where anywhere in Europe has a familiar feel. I would encourage the rest of Europe to think carefully about what they have lost too.
He would have to find a seat and become an MP first to have any leadership ambitions. He is currently an MEP although as he has said on a number of occasions he would like to be sacked from his current job by us leaving the EU.Quote:
Originally Posted by CL
But I agree with you, Daniel Hannan has written some excellent well reasoned articles over the years. He also comes across well when interviewed and on debating panels. I think the Leave campaign have missed a trick by not using him more.
The young are often represented in this debate as wanting that freedom of movement to go off and travel to atudy or work abroad and experience the world and that a vote to leave will affect that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pitfall Harry
It sounds great and appealing, even if a bit of a red herring as from the 100s of kids I've seen go off to Uni whilst coaching, not one has gone to the EU that I can recall.
The States is the usual destination, Australia, New Zealand, South East Asia and one went to Peru.
The point is that the youth have pretty much freedom of movement if they have the academic and financial resources to do it and there are few restrictions.
Leaving the EU will not affect this.
So it doesn't surprise me that they lean this way.
But it also means that there are those that are not going to Uni, not with financial resources to have these options. What is the future for them?
Interestingly a survey carried out on UKHillwalking/Climbing forum of over 4000 replies came out as:
81% remain
12% leave
7% not vote
Although I'm very much a remain person (postal vote went in a couple of weeks ago) for purely personal reasons - at our age we don't want potential 10 years of risk to economy, if I was 25 years younger I may have voted exit.
I'm not sure what the above figures show as there can be little difference between hillwalkers, climbers, fell runners, so I am not discounting the final vote going heavily towards the stay in. We shall see what happens.
Apparently the German tabloid Bild has promised to acknowledge that Geoff Hurst's second goal in the 1966 world cup final did cross the line if we vote to remain. I was tempted.....but only briefly ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Stagger
2 teenages who asked me about completing the ballot paper both voted to leave. That was 7.05am this morning.
I work with 16-20 year olds and the most want to leave but none have yet voted.
I met three teenagers yesterday who had obviously thought long and hard and they were all remainers. Bright kids. Educated thinkers
Haha :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Muddy Retriever
I'm now at the 'shake it all about' stage of this particular hokey-cokey!
Will probably vote at 9.59!
Sorry Stagger, if that constitutes an exit poll then your in trouble.
Apparently you can say how you voted but not how anyone else voted!
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Originally Posted by Muddy Retriever
If we leave do we get kicked out of the Euros :rolleyes:
Usually.
and the EurovisionQuote:
Originally Posted by Daletownrunner
I was wondering what effect the football could have had on the referendum. Let's imagine if England had been placed in a different group with someone like Belgium, and then got knocked out by a last minute off-side goal. Suddenly pro-European feelings take a nose-dive and we have Boris and Gove as the leaders of the free UK.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daletownrunner
Having said that, all this might happen anyway...
As long as it happens after 22:00 tonight it don't matter.
They should have let us win this year if they wanted us to stay!Quote:
Originally Posted by DrPatrickBarry
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Originally Posted by Muddy Retriever
I caught a very very small part of the show this year, clocking the presenters in various states of undress was almost enough to make me vote leave :D
No, that happens when Iceland beat England next Monday.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daletownrunner
On my wallchart it says Iceland v Poundland
Seriously though, ........
There isn't an exit poll being taken today, as the outcome can't be predicted in the same way as the General Election.
There are a few private exit polls being taken, mainly by the big banks (I forget where I read this) so they can make profits all day before the result is known.
You may want to check out the changes in the currency rates ..... from noon through to 3pm there was a huge drop which has since steadied itself. The profile looks like the run down to Wasdale Head.
I hate to sound all paranoid, but someone somewhere knows something. I think the result is going to be close and we won't know the result until we get ready for work tomorrow.
So, stood in the booth, stubby pencil in hand and still no idea what to do for best.
And a voice came to me....you have a choice. And that is because of democracy. So I voted to celebrate choice and democracy.
Tonight's training was a couple of miles warm up to the club hill reps calling at the Polling Station on the way, nearly missed the start of the reps because of the size of the queue waiting to vote. Never seen a queue there in my 43 years of voting, mind you apparently we are a bellwether city.
Anyone else think Nigel Farage is secretly hoping for a Remain victory because if we vote Leave then basically UKIP are bolloxed
No matter what the vote, UKIP come out of this smelling of roses.
A minimum of 45% support for their raison d'etre.
I can't imagine any other party getting that kind of support for their core policy.
Its enough to make you want to leave Britain, never mind Europe
So, stood in the booth, stubby pencil in hand and still no idea what to do for best.
And a voice came to me....you have a choice. And that is because of democracy. So I voted to celebrate choice and democracy.
I see what you did there .... :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by Derby Tup
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Originally Posted by Wheeze
You do know that voting twice is illegal?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wheeze
Should I stay (up) or should I go (to bed)?
Stay up ..... until Sunderland at least.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...sults-to-watch
I have a feeling the BBC will report at just gone 10pm that there's been a collapse in the leave vote and I can nip up the wooden fell in peace . . . we'll see
Dunno.Quote:
Originally Posted by Derby Tup
However although I passed you at the speed of light tonight I did notice your svelte figure and smiling demeanor.
(Although that might be my cheeky red prize talking).;)
I saw you making a sneaky BOFRexit from the Crown with a bottle Graham. French was it?