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is what we are living in:confused:
have shell made 13.8billion profit , have i heard that correct on the news, we are living in a country now of put up and shut up. WELL no its put up and pay up for everything we buy.
I blame the older generation for allowing it to happen , everyone over 45 in fact:rolleyes:.
they reckon inflation is 2% , not down here it aint.:mad:
sorry but 13.8billion and its 1.12 a litre here
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Originally Posted by daz h
I remember when I was under 10 years old, lived in Stacksteads, and I used to shop for my mother from the local bakers, butchers, greengrocers etc in Stacksteads itself, probably until I was about 8 or 9, with the odd rare foray in to Bacup for Krazy Kuts, Woolworths.
Then around 1974/5 they heard tales of this place called ASDA in Accrington, near to the Railway Station that sold giant pots of Prize Yoghurt.
Now the only local butcher and Greengrocer I have near to me are the supermarkets.
So my Mum could be to blame for the power of ASDA/Walmart and Tesco.
You could be right Daz h
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who is to blame (if anyone), companies that want to make the largest possible profit, or those that accept to buy things from them ?
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I remember as a child being sent to the greengrocers/butchers (in the same shop) for all the food 2 doors down, the post office 6 doors down and round the corner to the spar shop for other stuff. This was a small village. All now have closed up many years ago due to the supermarkets and the fact that cars are used/internet shopping. It has destroyed the heart of the community.:(
I blame everyone UNDER 45 for not noticing what a cock up the over 45's were making and doing something about it. Why don't students revolt any more??
Conway for PM!!!!;)
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If your 45 at present, its not your fault, enjoy your blamefree year.Quote:
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Quit wingeing and get back t'work t'pay oor pension :D
i'm a reluctant revolutionist as well as a sensitive stoic
so many issues here
but if it helps, find the cheapest petrol prices in your area
http://www.petrolprices.com/
or get everyone not to buy petrol from one of the giants, the more people do it they would have to lower prices?
life is easier when you are surrounded by bamboo
i thought that would wind a few of you ageing fellrunners up
when you used to buy threpence woth a 2 star you ahd it made.
all over 45s should be made to pay
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im serious:)
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make your contribution today;) , you know it makes sense
land of the giants really scared me when i was a kid .
yes we should introduce the young persons enjoyment tax straight away.
All over 45s should pay it to us
perhaps a trial period of 8 yrs and then review it
thats nothing to do with me being 37 :rolleyes:
Why don't students revolt any more??
Conway for PM!!!!;)[/quote]
Students are always revolting.
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Originally Posted by daz h
I like the oil companies and supermarkets, because they produce and sell things we need.Without the oil companies profits, they would have no investment capital for future explorations and technology.And if that happens none of us will be putting petrol and diesel in our cars, in a few years.
The real villan in all this is the government.They produce nothing but impediments.They confiscate the profits of the oil companies, and spend it on an ever increasing welfare state.
Inflation Daz is caused mainly by government borrowing(i.e the printing and spending of bank notes).Rather than tax us more, which is politically unpopular, the government creates money and then spends it.Because more money is then chasing the same amount of goods, prices must rise.
I bought a bag of fruit pastilles from tescos for 48p.Three months ago they were 42p.That is an inflation increase of approx 14%.That 6pence is what the government have taken without you even knowing it!
They get away with it for two reasons:1) people don't understand the causes of inflation, so don't object. 2)People won't let go of the welfare state, even if keeping it destroys the country.
The other point is, any savings you have lose their value in terms of goods.On current trends £50000 today would be worth about £10000-£15000 in 15 years.The government are ruining our futures.
The fault does lie with the older population, for mortgaging their future on the young and unborn.
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basically my argument is this , we are on a rocky path , yes i agree with what you say about inflation but not entirely , the goverment seem to take inflation figures im sure on bloody things like moble phones, i pods , and stuff that dont seem to be products that rise rapidly.
Fuel, groceries, bills, council tax (what a joke ) and things i call neccesity items have risen to a point where it has become unaceptable to rise them anymore , basically all these bills are now sent to you by cartel operations.
now on top of that tax has hit an all time high , im not sure what level tax we pay on everything we buy , earn or whatever but through history once you reach a certain level and take too much you plunge into a downturn.
the goverment is paying out too much on benefits, PFI projects, blah blah blah and each time they want more we JUST PUT UP AND SHUT UP.
new labour what a joke and its the older generation that backed them , whilst i aint saying the tories where any better i just believe labour have reached the point where they think and do what they like. The younger generation just simply wont have it . IE they wont be able to afford it , many older people always slag off the youngsters of today but lok at the scenario.
goverment says to 19 yr olds, errdo what your mum and dad did
1/ 700 quid mortgage
2/ no pension
3/ car thatscosts so much
4/ high bills
5/ dont have a baby cos you need 2 wages to live
6/ so on and so on
19yr olds laugh and say CHOOSE LIFE stuff it we will liv ewith mum and dad and not bother.
when it all goes pear shaped and it never hasnt i will have paid my mortgage and be okay . thats the prblem , we have become an im alright jack nation but i fear for my 15yr old sons future .
sorry rant over :(
it does seem rather unfair for the young
what with the added debt of a college education to add to that list
The problem with first time buyers these days is they need everything now!!
Ask anybody over 70 if they had dishwasher,new plasma t.v,new washing machine,new car,new dvd player,new mobile phone,take away's 3 times a week,microwaves,sky t.v,i-pods etc etc etc to pay for.The biggest problem is the easy availability of credit and the growing trend of spending next months wage.The old fashioned idea of "no cash,no buy" has long since gone. The on-going credit crunch will hit alot of people hard,including this over spending government,who are trillions of pounds in debt to the world bank.
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Welfare was set up as a safety net for people who have fallen on hard times and need assistance in the short term.The problem is many people use this aid as a lifestyle choice,and thus causes a soft liberal government huge expense.This money is usually raised by taxing the life out of hard working honest people....don't you just love socialism !!:mad:
Anyone see Monty Don in Cuba last week?
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No but New Zealand looks nice. Do you think Tescos deliver there?
Bring back Citizen Smith
Socialism?
To paraphrase Ghandi (I think) when he was asked what he thought about Western civilisation - It would be a great idea.
Do one Pinko scum.
Hard Times. A good read. Try A Christmas Carol too. Scrooge has some interesting points to make about the idle poor which are still relevant today especially when you need to rebutt pinko scum and their heresies. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Rodders rambler
Guicko thanks for asking me this.Individuals have no moral responsibility to help anyone, or to expect help.Poverty,illness and disability are not claims on the lives of others.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guick Dotto
I think we should abolish the welfare-state.If we did a small number of people would struggle initially.These people could be helped by private charities.
The Welfare-state has no moral basis whatsoever: Why?Because the money to support these institutions has been extorted from the taxpayer.In other words, if people really believed in the NHS, why does the government force them to pay for it?
It's moral responsibility that makes individuals human. Taxes are not extorted from me. It's a privilege to contribute to a civilised society where there is a statutory obligation on the government to help people. What's more if individuals don't like it they are still free to vote against the system. Laissez faire or devil take the hindmost was once a very respectable political philosophy which is why I had to go back to the nineteenth century to find an ironic reference. There are still plenty of non pinko scum lurking around who'd be glad of your vote.
The only thing I require of government is that they leave me alone as much as possible and don't p*ss my money up against the wall. We may find some concurrence in this area.
I am with you and find Christopher Leigh's comments abhorrent. I would also prefer New Labour MPs not to use my money to pay themselves rent for properties they have already paid for. They make me feel sick too.
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Originally Posted by christopher leigh
I have no problem with paying taxes, it's the mis-spending of those revenues that really galls me....Take the NHS; it's there to cure people of debillitating and life threatening illnesses & injuries; not to offer cosmetic surgery to "hairheads"!:mad:
[quote=christopher leigh;102522]Daz a good topic.
I like the oil companies and supermarkets, because they produce and sell things we need.
No they don't! They produce things. Then via the MEDIA ( one of the real villains in all this ) they convince us that we WANT what they are producing.
[quote=christopher leigh;102522]Daz a good topic.
I bought a bag of fruit pastilles from tescos for 48p.Three months ago they were 42p.That is an inflation increase of approx 14%.That 6pence is what the government have taken without you even knowing it!
The last time I bought a tube of fruit pastilles they were elevenpence ha'penny, from Ma' Aldren's corner shop!
With you there Wheeze, apart from that last point. Seems a year or two since we had one of those ultra training outings.....an Aldermaston March??Quote:
Originally Posted by Wheeze
Spot on Rodders! Apart from they don't "need everything now". They just "want" everything now. A generation that must have instant coffee NOW! Rather than waiting for perculated.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rodders rambler
WELL! I think that's me done with putting the world to rights and keeping you lot on track..
I have an allotment with a friend, we took over it about 5 years ago now, really is one of the best things i've done. Can grow such a variety of things, and could be time well spent with the kids too if you have any, but it's definitely a cost saving on the grocery bill, just a thought:d
Fuel is a difficult one, i'd love to lower my carbon footprint and try to when possible, but I do travel quite far to some races....things we can do such as car share, pick more local races etc but on the price of fuel and the high tax it would be interesting to see a breakdown of where tax on fuel is actually spent. Why isn't more of it invested in public transport..
so here is my idea, like the tv licence I think we should have one payment a year (but paid monthly if poss etc) that allows us to use any public transport for free, all the money from it would go to putting on more busses, accessing more peoples works etc and because it is a mandatory charge people would want to use it to get their value. This wouldnt stop people using cars and nor should it, but I think it would eventually get people realising that public transport can work and be efficient, over time it would develop, the routes that are more popular have more busses. So there will be many flaws with a new system etc but as an idea I do think it has benefit as well as potential.