...and there we have it again
I don't understand what are you hoping to achieve?
Hmm, I think I get it, WP is actually a staunch remainer and is using reverse psychology in portraying the most utterly repulsive persona possible as a leaver - clever!!
In that case, 100% success!! Congratulations, every post you make convinces me more and more - well done!!
DM
I think you may have got WP wrong. He has never made any secret of his position and has always cogently and impassionately supported his view without stooping to attack or derision. In many ways I see him as the mirror of you. I'm not sure why you have taken his posts as an attack on you. As I see it, that is not his style.
Just my thoughts! I was hoping you would be someone who would put the remain view over in the same way without getting torque in the underwear!
Sure Wheeze, I feel like I am being dragged down into the sewer for sure, hard to resist, feel like I have to stand up to the bullies but it also feels like baiting!
Perhaps we have different sensibilities, but I find this insulting, unhelpful, separatist, divisive, needlessly aggressive and basically an invitation to fight:
Is this unknown entity, whom I hasten to add I have never even met, who has repeatedly resorted to ridicule and insult to try (and fail to) get their way, really calling me a bitch? (and all other remainers!)Originally Posted by Witton Park
By all means correct me and explain how it is kind, helpful, edifying, positive, passive, encouraging two-way discussion?
I am all ears!
And here's a reminder of when things took a nasty turn:
Sorry, but this is offensive and totally uncalled for and again with the needless aggression! Not to mention inaccurate, because this person doesn't know me at all and I can assure you the insults directed at me are false and their only objective was to try and shut me down.
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Does this come cross less offensive? Just wondering for future reference.
I'm sorry DM, but this is an inaccurate analysis of the situation.
I can't remember a post on my fairly long time on this forum that has seemed to represent as many worst case scenarios as the reality should we leave to WTO terms.
It might be economically more beneficial to have some sort of trade agreement, but that is a matter of opinion.
I can certainly give you some benefits of not having one.
Food shortages within a few hours! Why? We control what comes in. The Government has already issued information to say they will not be holding up goods coming in to the UK.
Borders being closed to hauliers! I haven't heard that one before. I would be grateful for your source please so I can analyse and check it's veracity.
Even a minor disruption will cause chaos? I ship goods to the EU and I can tell you that 24 hour delays are almost a weekly occurrence. I get daily bulletins from the couriers and hauliers I work with. If someone sneezes on the M6 I know about it
Weather events, strikes, ferry breakdown, Train stuck in tunnel, immigrants walking through tunnel... I have had the full range this year.
The same applies to pharmaceutical? I would just re-confirm what the UK Government has said on the matter.
No you don't sound over-dramatic, you sound as if you have only been receiving information of the worst negative potential consequences without being made aware of the control measures and policies the UK Government and business are putting in place to avoid the more extreme consequences.
Do you really think a UK Government of any persuasion would see a potential problem and not act to lessen or remove the effect?
They might not be very good at it, but that is a different topic.
In my own mitigation, if you read your own post "we will have a very serious food shortage problem within just a few hours and at most a couple of days, of the borders being closed to hauliers." is offensive to me.
If you genuinely think that, I have tried countless times to explain why this won't happen as have many others on and off the forum.
Had you posted "we may have some disruption to food supply. The Government has advised we shouldn't as they will take measures to smooth the passage across the border, but I have yet to be convinced in their ability to aid the continuity of the supply chain."
Then I probably wouldn't have even replied, as it's somewhere close to the reality.
Richard Taylor
"William Tell could take an apple off your head. Taylor could take out a processed pea."
Sid Waddell
The Irish republic has a lot to answer for. This could have been sorted a long time ago, If they just accepted surrender to uk rule in permanence, then there can be an EU border Between British Ireland and France. Then there would not be a border.
After all, the view of the Eire population doesn't matter. They just let their " irishness" get in the way of a deal.
Is that right Pat?
Since you would never accept the same argument in reverse, spare us such sophistry,
The EU and Irish have a lot to answer for This could have been sorted a long time ago if they had accepted that NI was not for sale, and not tried to annexe Northern Ireland under their rule in permanence.
In which case do the best with technology. It won't be perfect, nothing is. All borders leak. The EU has abused the border issue in order to trap Britain.
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Is it bullying for people to keep coming on a thread they don't want to be on, just to complain about the people that are on the thread? Throw the occasional bit of "banter" in and then disappear claiming never to return?
This doesn't apply to you, because you are new and this thread has gone on a long time. But on several threads we have this and you can see in the last 48 hours some have done it again.
I'd love to talk more about races I've done as I did in the past. But having only managed two I think this year, and not having run for two weeks now because of my back, I haven't a lot to say on races these days.
Hopefully that will change some time soon.
Richard Taylor
"William Tell could take an apple off your head. Taylor could take out a processed pea."
Sid Waddell
And this, it didn't come across as playful unfortunately, perhaps it is a challenge of communicating via text, maybe it's because I don't think any of this is funny or a joke or something to 'play' with, but as you can see WP is clearly aware of the pitfalls of communicating online, yet knowingly and intentionally chooses to ridicule and resort to insult rather than engage respectfully.
The mirror analogy is interesting, I can see that this is a micro version of what is happening in the wider world.
As I say, Brexit isn't really the issue, it's a massive distraction from what we should really be discussing, the whole thing is a massive red herring! A particularly effective red herring I might add - look at what it is doing to us!
I bet we would all be getting along just fine if it wasn't for this and this is my position. It's obvious we all want the same things, but instead of working towards achievening them, we're bickering amongst ourselves, us meaning the politicians who are doing this instead of their jobs, and us who are doing this instead of talking about running!
I am not annoyed or upset, looking on with a curious mind, but I didn't come here to be insulted or ridiculed, I came here for some support with my running - which is still happening - thanks to everyone!! I really should just focus on that
The french manager in charge of the Calais docks says their will be no problem and that remainers are deliberately misleading. How does that square with remainer BS?
Does this come cross less offensive? Just wondering for future reference.
I'm sorry DM, but this is an inaccurate analysis of the situation.
I can't remember a post on my fairly long time on this forum that has seemed to represent as many worst case scenarios as the reality should we leave to WTO terms.
It might be economically more beneficial to have some sort of trade agreement, but that is a matter of opinion.
I can certainly give you some benefits of not having one.
Food shortages within a few hours! Why? We control what comes in. The Government has already issued information to say they will not be holding up goods coming in to the UK.
Borders being closed to hauliers! I haven't heard that one before. I would be grateful for your source please so I can analyse and check it's veracity.
Even a minor disruption will cause chaos? I ship goods to the EU and I can tell you that 24 hour delays are almost a weekly occurrence. I get daily bulletins from the couriers and hauliers I work with. If someone sneezes on the M6 I know about it
Weather events, strikes, ferry breakdown, Train stuck in tunnel, immigrants walking through tunnel... I have had the full range this year.
The same applies to pharmaceutical? I would just re-confirm what the UK Government has said on the matter.
No you don't sound over-dramatic, you sound as if you have only been receiving information of the worst negative potential consequences without being made aware of the control measures and policies the UK Government and business are putting in place to avoid the more extreme consequences.
Do you really think a UK Government of any persuasion would see a potential problem and not act to lessen or remove the effect?
They might not be very good at it, but that is a different topic.
In my own mitigation, if you read your own post "we will have a very serious food shortage problem within just a few hours and at most a couple of days, of the borders being closed to hauliers." is offensive to me.
If you genuinely think that, I have tried countless times to explain why this won't happen as have many others on and off the forum.
Had you posted "we may have some disruption to food supply. The Government has advised we shouldn't as they will take measures to smooth the passage across the border, but I have yet to be convinced in their ability to aid the continuity of the supply chain."
Then I probably wouldn't have even replied, as it's somewhere close to the reality.
Yes - it's totally benign, just a statement of position and reference to many other references that say the same thing, absolutely nothing aggressive or offensive about it whatsoever.
More importantly, there is no insult or attempt to win by ridicule in what I wrote - at all!
If yo see offensiveness in what I wrote, then we have profoundly serious communication issues.
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