Turbo Trainers

[Fleeter]

This is why i find this forum funny,your all mad ,keep it coming

[CL]

Mr Leigh, you obviously believe in your 20 min hard session. Post it on the forum below and see what sort of feedback it gets. There are some top lads read/post on there who do a bit on the turbo. Post us back a link to the thread in a few days and lets have a look at the responses.
Yes I have heard of Graeme Obree, why don't you reference your point if you have one and not just bandy names about?

http://www.veloriders.co.uk/phpBB2/index.php

Hello Ady!The person who started this thread, just wanted some session advice.I gave him a session, that would give him results.Others can do the same.

The problem is, that some criticised me, without giving reasons(they still haven't now).I don't ever remember criticising others for giving training suggestions, because the person asking for advice has to decide for themselves.

You mention some lads on here who use the turbo.I'll bet a lot of them have ridden a 10 mile TT, in close to 20 mins as well.Not one of them(if they have any sense) will come on here, and say it didn't have any effect on them.

As to Obree, I've made the point in my response to Nicklas.

[nikalas]

Look Christopher stop getting all testy and so defensive.. someone, I can't remember who now, wrote in at the start of this thread and asked for some advice on using a turbo. A few people wrote back giving some good advice and then you gave, in my opinion and several others, an overly simplistic and not very helpful answer.... regardless of what you say, "20 minutes flat out without a warm-up" is not a suitable or constructive advice for a novice.

anyway.....

Performance will be improved, as an appropriate warm up will result in an:

Increased speed of contraction and relaxation of warmed muscles
Dynamic exercises reduce muscle stiffness
Greater economy of movement because of lowered viscous resistance within warmed muscles
Facilitated oxygen utilization by warmed muscles because hemoglobin releases oxygen more readily at higher muscle temperatures (enzymes!!!)
Facilitated nerve transmission and muscle metabolism at higher temperatures; a specific warm up can facilitate motor unit recruitment required in subsequent all out activity
Increased blood flow through active tissues as local vascular beds dilate, increasing metabolism and muscle temperatures
Allows the heart rate get to a workable rate for beginning exercise
Mentally focused on the training or competition

without wishing to get lardy-daa I think with a Masters in Sports Science I do know the theory behind a warm-up but frankly I spend all day writing on health/exercise and don't want to spend my spare time doing it as well... come on just admit it was a silly flippant comment on your part... I'm done!

[CL]

This is why i find this forum funny,your all mad ,keep it coming

Fleeter we might just reach the truth soon, what do you think

[Fleeter]

we'll see,it happens all the time,someone posts there thoughts about a subject and gets ripped to pieces by everyone else! It's madness,people take things far to far , i agree with you

[CL]

Look Christopher stop getting all testy and so defensive.. someone, I can't remember who now, wrote in at the start of this thread and asked for some advice on using a turbo. A few people wrote back giving some good advice and then you gave, in my opinion and several others, an overly simplistic and not very helpful answer.... regardless of what you say, "20 minutes flat out without a warm-up" is not a suitable or constructive advice for a novice.

anyway.....

Performance will be improved, as an appropriate warm up will result in an:

Increased speed of contraction and relaxation of warmed muscles
Dynamic exercises reduce muscle stiffness
Greater economy of movement because of lowered viscous resistance within warmed muscles
Facilitated oxygen utilization by warmed muscles because hemoglobin releases oxygen more readily at higher muscle temperatures (enzymes!!!)
Facilitated nerve transmission and muscle metabolism at higher temperatures; a specific warm up can facilitate motor unit recruitment required in subsequent all out activity
Increased blood flow through active tissues as local vascular beds dilate, increasing metabolism and muscle temperatures
Allows the heart rate get to a workable rate for beginning exercise
Mentally focused on the training or competition

without wishing to get lardy-daa I think with a Masters in Sports Science I do know the theory behind a warm-up but frankly I spend all day writing on health/exercise and don't want to spend my spare time doing it as well... come on just admit it was a silly flippant comment on your part... I'm done!

Having a masters degree doesn't neccessarily make you right Nicklas!I don't even need to answer the points you make above individually.All I'll say to finish on, is if all the above was true, why have the same athletes performed just as well without a warm-up?

[CL]

we'll see,it happens all the time,someone posts there thoughts about a subject and gets ripped to pieces by everyone else! It's madness,people take things far to far , i agree with you

He still hasn't answered the questions I asked Fleeter.What they're saying is the same as me saying, a 5-7km flat out run is useless.The truth is of course, from My experience(14.405km/19.04 four miles)that 5km time trials were the most effective training I did.

Regards

[AndyA]

CL; first it was just funny, but now you're really starting to worry us!

Still, dont let the overwhelming weight of scientific and professional opinion deter you; you keep digging mate!

[dominion]

Graeme Obree interview

...although I reckon Obree was something of an under achiever. Imagine what he could have done with a decent warm up?

[CL]

Graeme Obree interview

...although I reckon Obree was something of an under achiever. Imagine what he could have done with a decent warm up?

Under achiever?

The day before he succeeded at the hour record,he actually failed!so the answer to the question is: a lot worse.

Then again I'm not naive enough to believe this was the only factor, in his poorer performance the day before.