Identity Cards

[Gambatte]

For what purposes are you meaning?

For credit, you generally need a photo ID (passport / driving licence) and proof of address (utility bill / bank statement). Now to get a passport or driving licence, your identity has been checked already and both the bank and utility provider will have done credit reference checks on you when opening your account with them.

Of course, after providing those pieces of ID they will still do a credit search on you against the electoral roll.

It's not perfect - but there are a number of checks and you'd need to bypass them all.

I agree with all.
But how do the many people without passport or driving licence prove their identity?

[CL]

I think I'd rather just take the risk. The kind of person who did that is hardly going to give you their fingerprints are they, so you're putting yourself at risk of physical attack

Well then don't carry a fingerprint kit around with you. If it was a legal requirement to exchange identities then we should be entitled to take fingerprints. The fact that they might drive off is irrelevant in the context of today.

The other idea that everyone who doesn't have insurance is going to attack you for asking for their fingerprints is nonsense. Those sort of people don't stop anyway.

[Margarine]

I think Grouse was trying to be ironic, Heathens.

[TheHeathens]

Well then don't carry a fingerprint kit around with you. If it was a legal requirement to exchange identities then we should be entitled to take fingerprints. The fact that they might drive off is irrelevant in the context of today.

Getting their numberplates is enough - if they've cloned their plates, they sure as hell aren't going to give you their fingerprints! Aside from that, why should you have my fingerprints anyway? Who knows what an unscrupulous person could do with them given any future technological advances.

The other idea that everyone who doesn't have insurance is going to attack you for asking for their fingerprints is nonsense. Those sort of people don't stop anyway.

So what's the point in fingerprinting people - if people are driving their cars legally, you get their car registration. If they're not, you're not going to get their fingerprints anyway.

I drive legally but there's no way I would give my fingerprints to anyone at the roadside. My mate was in a taxi in Leeds and a car pulled out in front of them; the taxi driver actually steered into the car to create a collision and then tried to get the passengers to claim for personal injury through their friend's firm of solicitors. They were dodgy as hell and illustrates my point about you not knowing who you are giving details to.

I'd love to see you approach some (for example) armed robbers driving a stolen car with cloned plates that can't drive off (due to the collision) asking for finger prints!

[TheHeathens]

I agree with all.
But how do the many people without passport or driving licence prove their identity?

http://www.aboutidentitytheft.co.uk/...raphic-id.html

Employee ID card + birth certificate
Student ID card + birth certificate.

Outside of those requirements, you're probably not going to get credit anyway

[TheHeathens]

I think Grouse was trying to be ironic, Heathens.

I'm aware of that, but Peterloo was a turning point in history.

[dominion]

http://www.aboutidentitytheft.co.uk/...raphic-id.html

Employee ID card + birth certificate
Student ID card + birth certificate.

Outside of those requirements, you're probably not going to get credit anyway

You reckon?

Copies of birth certificates aren't always valid, and I've no idea where my original is because my parents lost it. Try getting security clearance for a job when you have neither a passport nor an original birth certifcate - it's a right pain in the ass. 23 years of paying tax and national insurance and suddenly I don't exist!

Bizzarely I can use the birth certificate copy to get a passport, which then, along with a driving licence, is sufficient to apply for security clearance.

If you don't drive and don't travel abroad in this country you're pretty much screwed, so you might as well give everyone an ID card anyway. I won't be paying for one though.

[TheHeathens]

You reckon?

Copies of birth certificates aren't always valid, and I've no idea where my original is because my parents lost it.

All birth certificates are copies of the original entry in the register of births. It sounds to me that in your case it's that someone's being a jobsworth.

Even the ones I got when I went to register my son recently said 'Copy' on them.

[Man from Del Monte]

they were going to start with Man Utd supporters but they couldn't find any in Manchester

[NirvanaBliss]

they were going to start with Man Utd supporters but they couldn't find any in Manchester

Oy, there are plenty of Man U supporters in Manchester!