Makes you proud to be British

[CL]

Come on CL you're making sweeping sensationalistic statements (I'm sure with a glint in your eye) but, even for you, using the policies of the catholic church to back you up is pretty out there!

I'm making the point that the church regard homosexuality as immoral. Why should they therefore be forced to consider homosexuals as suitable parents?

That's the problem you see. The government has no right to discriminate FOR or AGAINST anyone. Since it is doing just that it is causing injustices all around us.

Now you may be blind or shielded from such, but millions are not. That's why they're voting the BNP.

[CL]

Now you're agreeing!!!???? I think Heathens is making the point about speaking out against extremist views now and putting an end to them before it's too late or have I got the wrong end of the stick?

I think you've got the wrong end of the stick. The point is if you don't stand up for the rights of people who disagree with you when their rights are on the line, don't expect anyone to stand up for you when your rights are on the chopping block.

[nikalas]

I think you've got the wrong end of the stick. The point is if you don't stand up for the rights of people who disagree with you when their rights are on the line, don't expect anyone to stand up for you when your rights are on the chopping block.

I don't think so, especially considering the context. Heathens???

[CL]

I don't think so, especially considering the context. Heathens???

Yes I think very much so. If all the people who disagree with you end up in prison for such, you'll be the only person left.

[XRunner]

Anyone who doesn't agree can read the National Socialist Workers party(NAZI) manifesto in 1921. Upon reading it you'll realise that it's almost identical to the aims of the major parties that exist in Britain today.

I don't believe any political party in Britain has such extreme manifesto ideas such as:

4. Only members of the nation may be citizens of the State. Only those of German blood, whatever be their creed, may be members of the nation. Accordingly, no Jew may be a member of the nation.

24. We demand freedom for all religious denominations in the State, provided they do not threaten its existence not offend the moral feelings of the German race.

[XRunner]

Look what I can do.....

This message is hidden because christopher leigh is on your ignore list.

Who says censorship is dead on the forum?

[nikalas]

Yes I think very much so. If all the people who disagree with you end up in prison for such, you'll be the only person left.

I haven't ever said anything about sending anyone to prison Are you delusional???!!!

[biara]

RE racism and removing foreigners from the country when discussing race at school, I just talk about football. Amazing that when you mention no foreign players racism becomes silly. Mention the idea of no pizzas, or no chinese take-aways, no curry houses then it is totally out of order.

Then mention the idea of the fact that many people are descended from people who came from overseas and scientists believe life begn in the Rift alley, Africa so in fact you are 'new' to the country they then realise it is pretty silly.

Most parties have issues but the scary thing is people believe the BNP, I'm just waiting as a teacher to be blamed for the lack of education to be the cause of BNP increase in support!!!

[TheHeathens]

Now you're agreeing!!!???? I think Heathens is making the point about speaking out against extremist views now and putting an end to them before it's too late or have I got the wrong end of the stick?

No, you haven't got the wrong end of the stick. Martin Niemoller (who penned the poem) affirmed that we must rally against unhealthy organized regimes. It's effectively a stand against political apathy, and not because the Trade Unionists disagreed with the Communists (for example).

Now (and this may seem at odds) I feel the BNP have an equal right to freedom of speech as the rest of us, and I personally hold that right above all others. If we start denying them that right, we are acting like Fascists ourselves.

HOWEVER, it is also the right (and even the duty) of myself and others who despise the BNP to put forward an alternative viewpoint and try and show the world that their ideas are beyond the pale.

I still have faith that the majority of the population will keep the BNP out long term. This appears to be a reaction to the economic and political crises that we currently have and a weakness of the European electoral system. The conditions of 1930s Germany were totally different to those we have today but it's important not to rest on our laurels.

[TheHeathens]

I haven't ever said anything about sending anyone to prison Are you delusional???!!!

No, he just makes things up that you've said. I can give you at least 10 examples of that from previous posts.