Its wide coz its BIG!! Hann, I can meet you at Longtown post office at 9.30. I'll be flapjack refuelling! How long does it take you to get to Talgarth? I figure we should be at top of Tumble by 1.30. This might be a bit late for you but you would have the option of leaving earlier when we hit the A40 at Bwlch...you could hare straight down to Aber from there.