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    Noel, I think you need to read the whole thread mate.

    CL said earlier in the thread that he didn't have the conviction to put all his money in gold, i.e he wouldn't back a conviction:

    Quote Originally Posted by TheHeathens View Post
    How much of your wealth would you bet on this conviction?
    Quote Originally Posted by christopher leigh View Post
    None I don't gamble on conviction.
    You can follow the links (the arrows) for proof that I didn't make that up

    Here's what I had to say about gold:

    Quote Originally Posted by TheHeathens View Post
    Gold : Will rise over the next 12-18 months. Adjusting for inflation, the last peak in 1980 is worth about $2220 / oz. We're currently just under $1000 / oz. Plus, we have diminishing output, extra demand from india and China, a weak dollar, and struggling financial markets.
    For the record, I do think that gold has some way to go before peaking - adjusting for inflation the peak in 1980 equates to about $2,200/oz, more than double the recent peak. There are just more ways to invest in it than doing so through direct investment.
    However, if anyone puts all of their money in gold (as 'Gold is King') quite frankly deserves to lose all their money for stupidity. You need to diversify across a number of investments.
    The thread is about diversification. My clients have exposure to gold through gold ETFs and Collective Funds; the world economy is very unlikely to collapse around us and that vindicates my decision to gain exposure to gold through the aforementioned methods.

    I will be most likely increasing that exposure to gold (within a diversified portfolio) as inflation inevitably starts to pick up.


    Anyway, here's what Citywire have to say:

    http://www.citywire.co.uk/personal/-...&ViewFull=True

    Gold has risen more than 30% since the Lehman debacle, hitting a peak yesterday just shy of $1,000. Is the party over? We asked four experts, including our own head of research, Jonathan Miller, what they think.
    Leading economist Roger Nightingale said he could see 'no justification' for the recent jump in price of gold, and he questioned why it should outperform equities as an asset.

    He said: 'It is a commodity used in jewellery and as a speculative play, but jewellery demand is not a driver of it (at present), and I don't see why it should be a good performing asset.'

    Nightingale said gold had enjoyed a strong run in the past 10 years, during which time it has moved fairly consistently higher from a starting point of less than $300 an ounce. But given that investors are not paid anything in terms of dividends or income to hold it, he said it had probably used up all its potential for now.

    Julian Jessop, chief international economist at Capital Economics, said that while it had benefited from dollar weakness and the safe haven story, that trend would dissipate.

    He said: 'If the dollar weakens sharply, we could break through the $1,000 mark and stay there for a while. But ultimately, the safe haven story will favour the dollar.

    'So we think it will pull back from here, barring a dollar collapse, and we aren't forecasting that.'

    In contrast, veteran fund manager Mark Harris of Henderson New Star is more bullish. He said he was adding to most of his multi-manager funds' gold exposures, with the short-term expectation that it will creep above $1,000 and further down the line as a defence against inflation.

    'We expect it to break through $1,000, and if it gets through that we would add to it, as we are not seeing a lot of downside.'

    On the longer-term picture, Harris added: 'We still like it as a hedge against inflation in the next few years, and we could be seeing the reflation trade (boosting prices) already as people step up their exposure in anticipation of future inflation.'

    Jonathan Miller, Citywire’s head of research has some gold exposure in his portfolio, but says you should wait for a fall in the price before investing.
    'Gold has been trading within a narrow range over the past few months and the break-out towards $1000 seems overdone. If it pulls back towards the early $900 range, that would be a more interesting entry point for investors, as an inflationary scenario will be the real kicker for gold.

    'Traditionally, gold has been a great hedge against inflation. That is not currently a threat, but it does remain a concern over the medium term. What I am worried about is the aftermath of quantitative easing and the monetary policies put into place by G20 nations, because the full impact is yet to be understood. So much money has been printed that inflation could come back with a vengeance.

    'So I want a bit of exposure to gold, but prefer to do this in a broader context. I am still invested in JPM Natural Resources, which offers exposure to goldmining shares and a broader natural resources theme.'
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stolly View Post
    Its very easy to prove an argument looking backwards but I'd say that gold has done 'rather well' over the past 10 years:



    Here I've compared it to the crap (FTSE100 index), the very crap of late (the IPD all property index) and the steady eddie (government gilt index).

    Here endeth a very boring reply to a pretty boring thread
    But you're not investing 10 years ago Stolly - my graph was from the time of this thread and relevant in that context. Besides, surely you of all people must believe the mantra, Buy Low Sell High?

    Also, why does the gold graph line stop in March when gold was at it's peak?? I've just had a look on Analytics and mine does the same.

    Oh, and doesn't gold look like it's due for a fall now.... the graph looks identical to the tech stocks at the end of the last decade. I think medium term that it will grow because of inflation, but there's likely to be a correction soon.

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    TheHeathens' tip for the next 10 years - agriculture
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheHeathens View Post
    Noel, I think you need to read the whole thread mate.
    I did read the whole thread. I also understand the need to diversify across a portfolio, and completely agree with you.

    My latest post was mainly a friendly dig at CL for not acting on his vociferously argued advice to others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noel View Post
    I did read the whole thread.
    Poor you!

    Quote Originally Posted by noel View Post
    I also understand the need to diversify across a portfolio, and completely agree with you.

    My latest post was mainly a friendly dig at CL for not acting on his vociferously argued advice to others.
    Ha ha, no probs. My misunderstanding!

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    Re: Get all cash out of the ba

    Money
    It's a gas
    Grab that cash with both hands and
    Make a stash

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    Quote Originally Posted by Margarine View Post
    Money
    It's a gas
    Grab that cash with both hands and
    Make a stash
    When inflation hits the nation,
    You better think with your head,
    about that stash under your bed.

    Because when your money buys less and less,
    You'll be in a right financial mess.






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    Re: Get all cash out of the ba

    Quote Originally Posted by noel View Post
    I did read the whole thread. I also understand the need to diversify across a portfolio, and completely agree with you.

    My latest post was mainly a friendly dig at CL for not acting on his vociferously argued advice to others.
    He's too busy looking for evidence of Bekele's drug cheating. Either that or he's got stuck while doing deep squats.

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    Re: Get all cash out of the ba

    It all makes perfect sense
    Expressed in dollars and cents,
    Pounds, shillings and pence

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    Money, get back.
    I’m all right jack keep your hands off of my stack.
    Money, it’s a hit.
    Don’t give me that do goody good bullshit.
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