Welsh 1000s Race

[IainR]

Has anyone heard anything re: new route for this one? Would the route down to Ogwen still go via Llugwy?

Don't think there has been a call yet. It's quite a detour to go via Llugwy now..in fact looking at the map south off pen yr ole wen and senior's ridge would probably be quickest but not sure they'd let you take that route...

[ydt]

This is what has been happening:

1000 Metre Peaks Race: Glyder Fawr Route Options

With the promotion of Glyder Fawr to 1000 metre status it is desired to include this peak in the fell running classes of the Welsh 1000 metre Peaks Race. This paper presents two possible route options to take runners from the A5 near Glan Dena (at the eastern end of Llyn Ogwen) to the summit of Glyder Fawr.

Special Notes

1. For the long fell running class A which traverses the Carneddau it is assumed that we will be able to use a route from Carnedd Llewelyn down to the A5 via the mountain rescue centre at Bryn Poeth. This route has yet to be confirmed.
2. A 3rd route option approaching Glyder Fawr from the east and going via Cwm Idwal and the Devil's Kitchen has been excluded because such a route assumes a direct descent of the nose of Pen Yr Ole Wen to Idwal cottage. At this time, the descent is felt to pose risks that some may consider to be too unacceptable. Further assessment is planned

Please refer to the attached sketch map. Note that the routes shown, which are not intended to be exact, are described from the entrance to Bryn Poeth on the A5 at GR 674606

Option A: Via Cwm Tryfan

Run approx 600 metres west along A5 and cross as directed. Go onto the old road and then immediately turn right through a kissing gate into Open Access land. Traverse SE and take the made-up track passing Little Tryfan up into Cwm Tryfan. Go up the Cwm bearing right near its head to reach Bwlch Tryfan. Follow the steep scree path to the left (East) of Bristly Ridge to reach and traverse Glyder Fach, passing Castell Y Gwynt on its south side (where care and good navigation is needed in misty conditions) to reach the main path running west to the summit of Glyder Fawr. Descend S then SW to start the descent to Pen-y-Pass...

Option B: Via Y Gribin

Run approximately 1500 metres West along the A5, and cross as directed into the Car Park at 659602. Exit through kissing gate at east end and take a line approx SW to pass under Bochlwyd buttress to reach the path ascending the right bank of the stream to reach the outflow of Llyn Bochlwyd. Go West to reach the made-up path which turns SW then S up the rifge of Y Gribin to reach the flat area at 651587. Staying always on the East Face of the ridge climb the steep rocky path, scrambling as necessary to reach the summit plateau. Bear right to traverse the boulder strewn plateau to reach the summit of Glyder Fawr. Descend S then SW to start the descent to Pen-y-Pass...
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Andrew Middleton is looking for comments:

All comments can be sent directly back to me: [email protected] We would be looking to get feedback by 18th March latest.
We are still pursuing permissions for the route off Dafydd into Ogwen via Bryn Poeth and hope to hear something positive soon.
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Yiannis

[IainR]

This is what has been happening:

1000 Metre Peaks Race: Glyder Fawr Route Options

With the promotion of Glyder Fawr to 1000 metre status it is desired to include this peak in the fell running classes of the Welsh 1000 metre Peaks Race. This paper presents two possible route options to take runners from the A5 near Glan Dena (at the eastern end of Llyn Ogwen) to the summit of Glyder Fawr.

Special Notes

1. For the long fell running class A which traverses the Carneddau it is assumed that we will be able to use a route from Carnedd Llewelyn down to the A5 via the mountain rescue centre at Bryn Poeth. This route has yet to be confirmed.
2. A 3rd route option approaching Glyder Fawr from the east and going via Cwm Idwal and the Devil's Kitchen has been excluded because such a route assumes a direct descent of the nose of Pen Yr Ole Wen to Idwal cottage. At this time, the descent is felt to pose risks that some may consider to be too unacceptable. Further assessment is planned

Please refer to the attached sketch map. Note that the routes shown, which are not intended to be exact, are described from the entrance to Bryn Poeth on the A5 at GR 674606

Option A: Via Cwm Tryfan

Run approx 600 metres west along A5 and cross as directed. Go onto the old road and then immediately turn right through a kissing gate into Open Access land. Traverse SE and take the made-up track passing Little Tryfan up into Cwm Tryfan. Go up the Cwm bearing right near its head to reach Bwlch Tryfan. Follow the steep scree path to the left (East) of Bristly Ridge to reach and traverse Glyder Fach, passing Castell Y Gwynt on its south side (where care and good navigation is needed in misty conditions) to reach the main path running west to the summit of Glyder Fawr. Descend S then SW to start the descent to Pen-y-Pass...

Option B: Via Y Gribin

Run approximately 1500 metres West along the A5, and cross as directed into the Car Park at 659602. Exit through kissing gate at east end and take a line approx SW to pass under Bochlwyd buttress to reach the path ascending the right bank of the stream to reach the outflow of Llyn Bochlwyd. Go West to reach the made-up path which turns SW then S up the rifge of Y Gribin to reach the flat area at 651587. Staying always on the East Face of the ridge climb the steep rocky path, scrambling as necessary to reach the summit plateau. Bear right to traverse the boulder strewn plateau to reach the summit of Glyder Fawr. Descend S then SW to start the descent to Pen-y-Pass...
---------------------------------------------------------------
Andrew Middleton is looking for comments:

All comments can be sent directly back to me: [email protected] We would be looking to get feedback by 18th March latest.
We are still pursuing permissions for the route off Dafydd into Ogwen via Bryn Poeth and hope to hear something positive soon.
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Yiannis

Personally, Don't think the PYOW South Ridge is that dangerous...personally I think the hideous gully by the side of Bristly ridge is a potential death trap, there will be some considerable rock fall there one day.

Gribin is steep but solid terrain. I'd expect that to be the quicker of the 2. Cwm Tyrfan is a long drag up.

[woody3]

Does anyone have a GPX file for the whole 1000m route? (i know they cant be used for the actual race but i just want it for a recce) - Cheers

[NJ1979]

Iain, ydt - thanks for the answers. I'm back in Wales for a couple of weeks in April so hopefully the route will have been decided by then so I can do a full recce.

[NJ1979]

This is what has been happening:

1000 Metre Peaks Race: Glyder Fawr Route Options

With the promotion of Glyder Fawr to 1000 metre status it is desired to include this peak in the fell running classes of the Welsh 1000 metre Peaks Race. This paper presents two possible route options to take runners from the A5 near Glan Dena (at the eastern end of Llyn Ogwen) to the summit of Glyder Fawr.

Special Notes

1. For the long fell running class A which traverses the Carneddau it is assumed that we will be able to use a route from Carnedd Llewelyn down to the A5 via the mountain rescue centre at Bryn Poeth. This route has yet to be confirmed.
2. A 3rd route option approaching Glyder Fawr from the east and going via Cwm Idwal and the Devil's Kitchen has been excluded because such a route assumes a direct descent of the nose of Pen Yr Ole Wen to Idwal cottage. At this time, the descent is felt to pose risks that some may consider to be too unacceptable. Further assessment is planned

Please refer to the attached sketch map. Note that the routes shown, which are not intended to be exact, are described from the entrance to Bryn Poeth on the A5 at GR 674606

Option A: Via Cwm Tryfan

Run approx 600 metres west along A5 and cross as directed. Go onto the old road and then immediately turn right through a kissing gate into Open Access land. Traverse SE and take the made-up track passing Little Tryfan up into Cwm Tryfan. Go up the Cwm bearing right near its head to reach Bwlch Tryfan. Follow the steep scree path to the left (East) of Bristly Ridge to reach and traverse Glyder Fach, passing Castell Y Gwynt on its south side (where care and good navigation is needed in misty conditions) to reach the main path running west to the summit of Glyder Fawr. Descend S then SW to start the descent to Pen-y-Pass...

Option B: Via Y Gribin

Run approximately 1500 metres West along the A5, and cross as directed into the Car Park at 659602. Exit through kissing gate at east end and take a line approx SW to pass under Bochlwyd buttress to reach the path ascending the right bank of the stream to reach the outflow of Llyn Bochlwyd. Go West to reach the made-up path which turns SW then S up the rifge of Y Gribin to reach the flat area at 651587. Staying always on the East Face of the ridge climb the steep rocky path, scrambling as necessary to reach the summit plateau. Bear right to traverse the boulder strewn plateau to reach the summit of Glyder Fawr. Descend S then SW to start the descent to Pen-y-Pass...
---------------------------------------------------------------
Andrew Middleton is looking for comments:

All comments can be sent directly back to me: [email protected] We would be looking to get feedback by 18th March latest.
We are still pursuing permissions for the route off Dafydd into Ogwen via Bryn Poeth and hope to hear something positive soon.
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Yiannis

Do you have a link to the site where you got this information at all?

Thanks very much,
Nathan

[IanDarkpeak]

Do you have a link to the site where you got this information at all?

Thanks very much,
Nathan

I'm guessing you were born in 79 and your initials are NJ and that you don't live just north of Lossiemouth in the Moray Firth?

[Kath]

Does anyone know if the route for mountaineers (B / Be) includes Glydr Fawr? Or is that only for fell runners?
Ta,
Kath

[FarFromTheFells]

Latest on the new route for Classes A & E only: http://www.welsh1000m.org/Press%20Re...l%202011v2.pdf

[andymidd]

Only fell runners will go over Glyder Fawr this year. What do people feel about the scrambling section at the top of the Gribin Ridge just before reaching the plateau?