seems a few of us had the dip on the track above thirlmere, i also hit a low until the climb up dunmail. i wasnt critising the kit check stuart we all know what we need to carry and when you you asked me about jam sarnies i had a full pack in my arms and winter clothing on, and agree the low key and self reliance atmosphere of event is what some of us look for in an event and i for one enjoyed the day and will be back next year, well done to all involved :thumbup: