waiting for my new wave harriers to come and break em in tooi bet theres a few of us first timers starting to get nervous as the week goes on. thanks for info stolly its more than helpfull i'll check them against the 2011 route i got off moorland challenge. i noticed theres acouple of out and backs like gt knoutberry and whernside does this sound right i havent had a proper look yet so dont know any alternatives,if there is any, i sent my mate your picture and also described it as the somme. more rain forcast next week too. would it be worth wearing seal skins or are past that now up there :thumbup: