just had a proper look myself and memory map made it .7 of a mile longer and agree it looks hell of a climb from the cave ( which is where id imagine you'd come from) i think im going to stick to the moor and take the full fellsman expierence its more in the spirit of it for me. although i am wondering wether to take the southern fence line along fleetmoss edge or the more northern wall cp boundry over the moor, is there any difference ? just spent the afternoon doing the maps and lamminating so like hes a bit happier and reay for the off now :thumbup: