Olympics 2012

[L.F.F.]

The closing ceremony didn't seem to be on in my area, but they did kindly put an extended X Factor episode on in its place which was quite good.

[ZootHornRollo]

what a pile of moronic dumbed-down commercialised claptrap that was.

[L.F.F.]

Seems that's the way we celebrate things these days. The Jubilee seemed to use the same blueprint: invite a load of has beens, never were beens, never will beens, and get them to warble bad versions of what they do/did. A couple of exceptions, like the woman who sang first, and Elbow sounded good.

Why did we have to see Naomi Campbell and friends strutting their stuff?

A coming back down to celebrity earth with a bump after a couple of weeks of seeing a lot of relatively unknown people achieve amazing things after years of unbelievable effort.

[The devil's own]

Ah the celebration of Britain's iconic fashion industry. TBH i'm not surprised it goes over many forumites heads. And as for the relatively unknowns there's quite a few olympians that are probably far more well known and equally, if not more a a celebrity now than those models.

[CL]

I think you are being too harsh CL on quite a few issues but fair play you are recognising some of the decent performances and calling them correctly.
1) You state that EPO can take 1 / 2 mins off your times but where is your evidence for this? On what do you base this, I accept the idea that EPO will improve you but I don't know by how much.
2) Your comments on Mo, I think are unfair. You are missing out the fact that he has changed coaches, moved to a different area and generally decided to do lots of things differently. If a person is good but missing out on that extra 'oomph', wouldn't a change of coach, scenery, attitude improve him. You say that oomph is EPO, I disagree, each to their own ideas.
3) Usain Bolt takes less strides than others, if a tall person with a long stride moves their legs at the same rate as a short person with shorter strides, the tall person will win and be quick. Bolt has a proven record over a number of years from winning the junior world championships (I think that's right) so he is not a suddenly quick runner.
4) You talk about Carl Lewis being called a cynic, yet he failed drugs tests at the olympic trials before the Ben Johnson race. You mention people who 'suck up to druggies' but appear to be doing the same.
http://www.digital-forums.com/showth...rl-Lewis-doped

There is plenty of evidence for the dramatic benefits of EPO from those athletes who have tested positive and research including the article Mike T posted earlier.

The 100m is a strength event. Anabolic steroids increase strength. Tim Montgomery, the ex 100m record holder says the steroids Victor Conte supplied him with packed 28 lbs of muscle onto his body in a month or two. That is what enabled him to run 9.78. Without the steroids he would have struggled to run 10.20. His interview is on YouTube, it is also worth listening to the Balco interview with Victor Conte.

When Carl Lewis came on the scene it was a rarity to see him run under 10 seconds. Most of his races would have been won between 10-10.2. Today we have Bolt and Co running between 9.7 and 10seconds on a regular basis. No amount of training will give a naturally talented sprinter a faster 100m time than a slightly less or equally talented 100m runner on steroids.

[CL]

So you don't believe in the slightest that hard focussed work, determination, a change in attitude and training regime on top of natural ability can also take more than a minute off 5k & 2 mins off 10k times?

Upto a point and depending on the starting position. When athletes start going beyond their obvious natural ability in an era of EPO you have to put two and two together.

[Danbert Nocurry]

Someone should tell Christopher Leigh! Most of these musicians in the Olympic Stadium have been on drugs at some point....:w00t:

Liam Gallagher, Russell Brand, Kate Moss, George Michael, Naomi Campbell it is indeed a good thing they don't test for drugs at closing ceremonies Dynamo.

[CL]

Why do you taunt people about their personal life choices? Perhaps it seems light-hearted or even amusing when you type it, but it comes across aggressive when I read it.

You seem to have forgotten that Vegan started it by making it personal. It was just a bit of tit for tat banter.

[Danbert Nocurry]

PS - It was just a shame that all the athletes didn't throw their piss sample bottles at Liam Gallagher as he tunelessly wailed through Wonderwall :w00t:

[Dynamo Dan]

PS - It was just a shame that all the athletes didn't throw their piss sample bottles at Liam Gallagher as he tunelessly wailed through Wonderwall :w00t:

He was shite wasn't he? Worse than Macca.

I remember going to a gig at Milton Keynes Bowl when I was a nipper. Terrovision played and as they launched into Tequila the sky turned yellow with bottles of piss flying towards the stage - needless to say they didn't last very long!!