Omm 2012

[Toreador]

The chances of really bad and cold weather put a lot of people off the OMM as far as I understand.

But that's always been the case, and it used to fill up every year with a long waiting list.

[gej]

But that's always been the case, and it used to fill up every year with a long waiting list.

I think it must largely be the competition from other events - when I did my first KIMM the Saunders was the only other 2 day mountain marathon - now there are a number to choose from, and not that many people do them all.

[Hanneke]

Yes, I meant if one has the choice between doing a MM in the summer, with better chance of good weather and no freezing temperatures at night, or one at the end of October, the OMM was always going to suffer. Don't think the Borrowdale 2008 debacle helped much either... Truth is, we are all getting softer

I think it must largely be the competition from other events - when I did my first KIMM the Saunders was the only other 2 day mountain marathon - now there are a number to choose from, and not that many people do them all.

[geofpet]

Did the 1989 courses use any of the adjacent areas?

Hard to know why numbers are down - the Saunders was hugely oversubscribed again and the LAMM not far off full, last year's RAB was also full.
From my own perspective, having the event centre a long way from the action detracts from the experience, but after 2008 I can see why they've chosen to do this. And it wouldn't put me off entering anyway.

Just rummaged through some old maps........have found rhe 1989 Howgills. It was a Harvey map and extended the existing Harvey Howgills map. The competition area included from the M6 in the west to 3.5 k east of Mallerstang Edge . The start was Ravenstonedale and the Elite went W to Hooksey, then back East zig zagging to Wild Boar Fell then continuing S East to just above Cotterdale, N to below the summit of Mallersatng Edge, then W to Little Fell, then South back over Mallerstang Edge down to the bottom of the map to East Baugh Fell/Tarn Rigg. It then went NW over awest Baugh Fell to some bog that was called a stream junction. The camp must have been near Ulldale House as that is where I have the last control marked. Cant find Day 2 but it was incredibly long, we retired half way through Day 2 as my partner (Anne Stentiford) had a bad hip and we couldnt move fast enough to complete within the cut off. The same map area has been used for other MMs in the area. Wouldnt be surprised if they just revise the old map with the Wild Boar Fell, Mallerstang edge extensions.

[Toreador]

Cheers. Wonder what the deal is with training in the Wild Boar/Mallerstang area? Obviously the Howgills (my main training area) are out as that's been announced, but anywhere else adjacent is just guesswork.
It could also go south towards Dent/Gragareth/Whernside, though the Capricorn's also been held on the Wild Boar Fell area, so presumably the landowners are sympathetic round there.

[geofpet]

Yes they could well go south. Exactly the same Harvey map, with minor revisions, was used for the 1998 Kimm and also the Saunders in ( i think ) 1993. No idea about access regarding running in the area as am based in S Cheshire and only visit for MMs and races. I think in good weather it could be brilliant, but 1998 was appalling! Have fun

[drmorris]

if it was a Harvey's map, were the previous events maps at 1:40,000 scale and 15m contour interval?

Some old OMM maps I've seen(not based on Harvey's) use a 10m contour but a 1:40,000 scale

[geofpet]

if it was a Harvey's map, were the previous events maps at 1:40,000 scale and 15m contour interval?

Some old OMM maps I've seen(not based on Harvey's) use a 10m contour but a 1:40,000 scale

Yes, standard Harvey vintage, 1:40,000 and 15m contours

[drmorris]

Thanks for that. Trying to get my head round the different scale and colouring by training with the Harveys of the Peak District

[drmorris]

in terms of training, without breaking any rules about recce'ing the area beforehand:

http://www.darkandwhite.co.uk/challe...sp?race_id=367

Dark and White's first mini MM of the next series is into the Howgills area, from Sedbergh.

Seems like as good a training event as any(I'm in for OMM medium score). Its a 4 hr score event.
Me and my OMM partner are in for it.