BGR in more than 24 hours?

[IainR]

Achievement in the mountains is personal. Time is but one measure.

well said

ill second that .

very very true..

Its why she's been so successful with TM.. she started off with an interest in running but has basically used that to develop as a runner.. its been superb to watch and I think a major reason why the magazine has been a success. She knows what the people need to read to develop.. but shes also taken that on board.

So regardless of the fail/success.. she's progressed as a runner hugely over the past few days and should be rightfully proud of that.

The beauty of running is there is no ceiling.. for any of us.. we can always point to more, but so can they about you. we all have unfinished goals.. I always think enjoy your successes re-evaluate and progress again.. slowly slowly catchy monkey.. :-)

[Craghopper]

I suppose it's time I proffered my view on the matter.
I think among the wider fell running/walking community, virtually everyone would expect anyone claiming to have done the BGR would give a time in under 24 hours.
I think I would be correct in saying, that of the individuals who attempted the BGR, got back to the Moot Hall, but failed to make it in under 24hours, virtually none would say they've done the BGR.
I have immense admiration for individuals who, through various reasons, successfully finish the route of the BGR knowing they have missed the 24 hour deadline. But for me they have only completed the route and not the Bob Graham Round.
Simon

Keswicksimon has got this right, if you do the route outside the 24hour window youve just done a circuit of 42 lakes mountains. Finish it in less that 24hours and youve done a Bob Graham Round.

Mike

[Corniceman]

Keswicksimon has got this right, if you do the route outside the 24hour window youve just done a circuit of 42 lakes mountains. Finish it in less that 24hours and youve done a Bob Graham Round.

Mike

Spot on.

[IWCharters]

This isn't quite right because whether you do it in under 24 hours or not if you visit the prescribed 42 peaks as well as starting and finishing at The Moot Hall, rather than visiting any convenient 42 peaks starting anywhere you want, then you have completed the Bob Graham Round.

Completing it in less than 24 hours allows you to join the Bob Graham Club, if you want to and not everyone does, providing you have complied with their other rules.

[shaunaneto]

Keswicksimon has got this right, if you do the route outside the 24hour window youve just done a circuit of 42 lakes mountains. Finish it in less that 24hours and youve done a Bob Graham Round.

Mike

No, not really. I think Bob Wightman has it right on another thread.

To complete the Bob Graham Round you merely need to have traversed the route.

To complete the Bob Graham Round 24hr challenge you need to have traversed the route and returned to the starting point, traditionally the Moot Hall in Keswick, within 24hrs.

[keswicksimon]

Or does he....
On his own website Bob Wightman says in his second sentence "One of these is the 24 hour challenge known as the Bob Graham Round."
http://bobwightman.co.uk/run/bob_graham.php
Or am I looking at the wrong website?

[shaunaneto]

Meh, I'm still reading that differently.

I'm kind of viewing it as to separate entities. I'll give an analogy. I've run the Edale Skyline Route a number of times, never done the race though.

Oh well, I'm not changing my mind. Reminds me, need to look into this registering business.

Not for me, obviously. For a friend, his compooters bust.

[Hanneke]

Indeed...

A few years ago, when I was recce-ing for a BGR 24 hr challenge attempt, I started what was supposed to be a recce of leg 4 and 5... So I took the bus to Dunmail. I accidentally did the whole thing... as I was feeling exceptionally good and the conditions were great... So I checked with BG sec and was told: unsupported, solo, no witnesses and not starting and finishing at Moot Hall = not in the club I seem to remember him saying that, had I already done a verified round and was in the club, the unsopported solo would have counted but correct me if I am wrong BG sec.

I don't mind, I have done it, on my own, and enjoyed it. I grasped the oportunity while I had it, as later that year I twisted my ankle and ripped some ligaments at the OMM (the Borrowdale drowned one) and haven't been able to run properly since, let alone contemplate a BGR Carpe Diem I'd say!

It was awesome to be casually out in the hills for just under 24 hours, collapse at Dunmail and be quietly elated for a LONG time without having to shout about it... My Garmin gave up about 12 hours in, ra out of battery, but I still think I have the trace on my extrenal HD somewhere

No, not really. I think Bob Wightman has it right on another thread.

[Craghopper]

Indeed...

A few years ago, when I was recce-ing for a BGR 24 hr challenge attempt, I started what was supposed to be a recce of leg 4 and 5... So I took the bus to Dunmail. I accidentally did the whole thing... as I was feeling exceptionally good and the conditions were great... So I checked with BG sec and was told: unsupported, solo, no witnesses and not starting and finishing at Moot Hall = not in the club I seem to remember him saying that, had I already done a verified round and was in the club, the unsopported solo would have counted but correct me if I am wrong BG sec.

I don't mind, I have done it, on my own, and enjoyed it. I grasped the oportunity while I had it, as later that year I twisted my ankle and ripped some ligaments at the OMM (the Borrowdale drowned one) and haven't been able to run properly since, let alone contemplate a BGR Carpe Diem I'd say!

It was awesome to be casually out in the hills for just under 24 hours, collapse at Dunmail and be quietly elated for a LONG time without having to shout about it... My Garmin gave up about 12 hours in, ra out of battery, but I still think I have the trace on my extrenal HD somewhere

Hannke, I'd say what you did was a very decent circiut of 42 lakes tops in a good time but not a Bob Graham round. Sorry about your ankle, will it get better so you can give it a proper go?

Mike

[Harry H Howgill]

Hannke, I'd say what you did was a very decent circiut of 42 lakes tops in a good time but not a Bob Graham round. Sorry about your ankle, will it get better so you can give it a proper go?

Mike

"A proper go!" Ha ha. That made me smile.

Apologies if I've misinterpreted your comment, (it might well have been light-hearted) but I presume you are only meaning that a solo unsupported round cannot be, by its very nature, ratified in the way that is required by the club for membership. Plus the start / finish point requirement.

I think that what Hanneke did was a magnificent achievement and is more in the spirit of the round than some other attempts. In some cases it takes less flags , ropes and Sherpas to get someone up Everest! (Please feel free to shoot this comment down in flames!) :-)

If it was me who had done what Hanneke did, (this is my opinion; I wouldn't dream of speaking on her, or anyone else's, behalf) I wouldn't have thought there would be much to gain to do it all again within the "rules" just for the sake of membership of the club. However I understand why others might see this differently.


Also, with regards to the person who did it recently in 26+ hours, I still think that is a stunning achievement. And that not being able to get their certificate for a sub-24 hour is neither here nor there.

However I think it is useful to have the boundaries set for ratification, (I'm enjoying the GPS tracking debate) but people shouldn't get too hung up about it if others want to do their own thing.