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    Re: New safety rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Will_B View Post
    If the sponsors logo was folder over that would make the number easier to read wouldn't it?
    If we are carrying a sponsors name should we not be paid for this???

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    Re: New safety rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Stagger View Post
    If we are carrying a sponsors name should we not be paid for this???

    From the oxford dictionary :-
    noun

    Sponsor meaning

    • 1a person or organization that pays for or contributes to the costs involved in staging a sporting or artistic event in return for advertising:


    Some events would not be viable if not for sponsorship.

    IMO Fell racing is a nice simple sport i.e. you see a race you want to do, you check and comply with the rules, do the race, have a good time with like minded folk,thank the RO, marshalls and sponsors that made it possible and then plan your next race.

    Can`t be much more simple than that,

    If you have a problem with the rules don`t do the event, still simple the way I see it.
    Last edited by JohnK; 23-07-2013 at 08:53 PM. Reason: spacing

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    Re: New safety rules

    Yep you should be on the fra committee.

    If I choose to show a name I will and if asked other wise before money changes hands I will make my choice.

    You must have great life reading the oxford dictionary.


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    Re: New safety rules

    To be honest I'm all for the proper safety rules but the current draft of the rules is also looking a bit like 'lets add all sorts of other bureaucratic stuff thats not nearly so important while we're at it'. The not allowing folding of numbers and insisting that they are pinned to your vest is just petty dabbling. Insisting on runners wearing a top is overkill to, although given our weather most runners do most of the time anyway. Yes it could a little bit easier to see a number pinned to your chest..... unless you've lost a safety pin, put on your waterproof or fallen face first in a bog..... but, really, whats the problem with pinning it to your shorts? Yep, you're right there is not a single problem

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    Re: New safety rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Stagger View Post
    If we are carrying a sponsors name should we not be paid for this???
    No, but you can pay extra for your entry to make up for the loss of exposure to the sponsor leading to a reduction in contribution and an increase in costs to the race organiser.
    Last edited by dominion; 23-07-2013 at 10:49 PM.

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    Re: New safety rules

    Well, as a race organiser, I don't plan to DQ people who run topless. Nor do I plan to throw away all of last year's numbers 78 to 400 (or whatever was left over).

    I can see the argument for the latter one, but will take this as guidance not mandatory (in the letter of the law). Having said that, I did get confused on my last C&F relay as to the number of people in the race. So maybe I'll start at a number ending in "1" rather than starting where last year's race left off.

    I'm a bit bemused by the number on legs argument. I think it's helpful, especially in races with potentially nasty conditions, to be able to put on and take off extra layers without obscuring your race number. Indeed I'm more likely to put a number on my leggings in the (very few) cold races I do, for that reason.

    I am impressed by how committed to making fell running better the committee must be. To prepare a 14-page draft document and put it on the forums is akin to standing in the stocks with us all holding wet sponges. After my initial points above, I'd like to add that almost all of the 14 pages (and all the bits that are mandatory) seem to make perfect sense, and I appreciate you're working with my best interests at heart.

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    Re: New safety rules

    Quote Originally Posted by MargC View Post
    The UKA "family" I referred to consists of UKA, EA/FRA(for fell running), WA and NIMRA. All of these Permit races which are covered by UK Athletics insurance.

    About 8 years ago a large proportion of the fellrunning community in Wales became disenchanted with UKA/WA managing their sport. As a result the Welsh Fell Running Association (WFRA) was established and now the majority of fell/mountain races in Wales are registered and insured with the WFRA and not with WA. The WFRA operates completely independently of UKA/WA and has its own insurance. The WFRA are indeed free to set their own rules but have chosen to model them on the FRA ones.

    Similarly in Scotland there are two bodies, SA(part of the UKA "family") and Scottish Hill Runners (independant of UKA) who offer insurance for fell/hill races. However in Scotland I think most race organisers still obtain their Permits/insurance from SA/UKA.
    Marg, at risk of distracting from a very useful airing of views on the new safety rules, can I just slightly amend what you said about WFRA?
    1. It was not that we were so much disenchanted with WA managing the sport it was more to do with the fact that WA was imposed on us with no mandate from the runners who, mistakenly, believed that they were managed by FRA and were members of FRA as a UK wide organisation. There was some rather unsavoury power grabbing by individuals who fed their ego's by taking unelected positions within the WA mountain running committee.
    2. WFRA was not established, rather it was resurrected from the moribund remains of the WFRA that operated through the late 80's and early 90's until things went off the rails around the time of BAF. Old WFRA acted as a welsh subcommittee of the FRA and new WFRA sought to restore that order....even though FRA was now effectively an english only organisation.

    As a life member of FRA with no interest in other sports I would dearly love for FRA to be UK wide. I consider it to be for me. These new safety rules are kind of inevitable and I salute those who labour at drawing them up. But I still ain't giving up my trusty PB rain suit!!!

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    Re: New safety rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Stagger View Post
    You must have great life reading the oxford dictionary.
    Hey, don't knock it. It really hots up in the second half!

    Don't worry, I won't give away the ending

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    Re: New safety rules

    Quote Originally Posted by L.F.F. View Post
    Hey, don't knock it. It really hots up in the second half!

    Don't worry, I won't give away the ending
    No it doesn't, it's boring.
    Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
    Oh sorry!

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    Re: New safety rules

    Quote Originally Posted by TheGrump View Post
    No it doesn't, it's boring.
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