A disclaimer at the start of a race would be a better option in my opinion. No matter how many rules and regs you put into place, people will succumb to their own stupidity or just plain bad luck.
A disclaimer at the start of a race would be a better option in my opinion. No matter how many rules and regs you put into place, people will succumb to their own stupidity or just plain bad luck.
Disclaimers cannot be used to override the law e.g. absolve someone of legal responsibility, and generally are of no value.Originally Posted by Skelton
Which brings us back to square one.. maybe time to close the thread#wishfulthinking
I was surprised at my race in Germany this year that such a disclaimer was basically as far as it went.. the organiser accepts no responsibility (for accident or theft ~ a point worth adding for UK races with a bag drop?). Unsual to see anywhere these days. It added that only well-trained mountain-runners shoud try it, including unattached runners, and strongly recommended a doctor's check-up. Finally, the runner is responsible for suitable clothing.
Yeah it how it normally is here.. the view is everyone's an adult.. if they aren't negligent.. runners are fit and equipped... which is down to their judgement... then all's OK..Which brings us back to square one.. maybe time to close the thread
I was surprised at my race in Germany this year that such a disclaimer was basically as far as it went.. the organiser accepts no responsibility (for accident or theft ~ a point worth adding for UK races with a bag drop?). Unsual to see anywhere these days. It added that only well-trained mountain-runners shoud try it, including unattached runners, and strongly recommended a doctor's check-up. Finally, the runner is responsible for suitable clothing.
The FRA may not like that but its a perfectly valid option for me..
I was doing my usual Marshalling job today on Bessyboot at the Borrowdale race and it once again confirmed to me how important it is to have numbers placed where they can easily be seen. The Bowland MR team who also man the summit take the race numbers in order to monitor runners through the various c.p. , at least 20 runners had their numbers folded so ridiculously small that it was more than difficult to see them, most of those being on the shorts. After a while I positioned myself to try to identify potential problems for the number takers before they reached them, asking the runners with folded or obscured numbers to make sure that their numbers were taken. What I didn't like was the filthy looks and adverse comments from several runners when I made this request. The taking of numbers in this situation is for the benefit of the runners, for their safety and nothing else and it just beggars believe that some people can be just so downright stupid in this situation, it was a difficult enough task without the obstacles presented by some runners and not just a few . Smarten
up !
Watch Jebby on this video, where is number is and what he does when he approaches the people taking numbers.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ALDblJxHnWk&feature=plcp
Last edited by Lefty; 03-08-2013 at 08:28 PM.
Coming late to this, and not planning to wade through 23 pages, but this sums up my own view. I have the PB suit, donned it once or twice in 15 years (more frequenty for training). I cannot claim it is truly waterproof, but I get soaked inside anyway from sweat. (My safest wet-gear is actually my Buffalo, which makes no pretence at waterproofness, yet takes me from rain to above-snowline and back again with nary a shiver). I appreciate that ROs are concerned for our safety AND the race AND the sport AND any possible comeback on them ... but I don't see, as a practical matter, how they can judge each garment. Nor would I be keen on someone dipping my cag in a bucket to check the flow rate! And nor, when I have marshalled, would I be keen to adjudicate between different brands, the relevance of seam taping etc. Pertex/Other fair enough. But of course, once you refuse someone entry, where are they going to go, uncounted? Up t'fell!
On the other hand, I doubt it will go our way, for reasons I perfectly well understand.
Last edited by Ted; 03-08-2013 at 10:02 PM.
I think we need a new club "the real FRA" with no rules, no publicity, just word of mouth and a few races for those in the know. With PB now featuring "Trail Running" T-shirts in the FRA magazine, I fear the end is nigh.
And the risk of prosecution for manslaughter if someone dies and the family pursuing you for your every penny because you had no race insurance.
Hear, Hear.
I always pin my number, unfolded, on the middle of my vest.
If I have to put a jacket over the top, I always unzip it (no matter how foul the weather) so that the marshals can see it
I never shout out my number, as I might mis-remember it, the marshals might mis-hear, plus the marshals have no way of being sure that I am not somebody without a number just "blagging it"
I do all of the above not because it is in the FRA Safety Requirements Document, not because the Race Organiser has required it and not because I am some sort of goody two shoes, but FOR MY OWN SAFETY.
Last edited by DazTheSlug; 03-08-2013 at 11:07 PM.
Yet this happens.... time and time again.. throughout the country.. world.. honestly you need to get some experience..
So many in the UK come from the narrowest of experiences.. the same race for 35 years is not experience..
One of the UK's great climbers wrote an article and I edited it.. harsh in away saying what experience was... basically saying 50 years of Vdiffs wasn't experience... and him at 18 had more than them... as he took risks.. but he was right. He's seen more than we/they all have.
I do think the FRA have too much of a UK centric view.. don't change on account of others but at least learn of valid options.. they are there.
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