on a team which just won the title in a record time.... oddest post by you yet...Originally Posted by Danbert Nocurry
on a team which just won the title in a record time.... oddest post by you yet...
United may have won the title last year, but in all seriousness they weren't very good doing so. Baconface made the sum of the parts far greater than the individual parts themselves, driven on by his own "not in my lifetime" jibe at City, that backfired in the most spectacular style in May 2012. This gave him the determination to take the title back one more time, and without RVP, I very much doubt they would have done so, but RVP was already getting on, and not always in reliable fitness. It was a signing purely for the short term, with one goal only, beat City, most unlike Ferguson in fact, it was a gamble that worked, allowing him to go out at the top, but it papered over many other cracks.
He has left you with a sub standard squad, many a year further past their sell by date, who had only known one boss, and one way. Bringing back Scholes, and relying on Giggs, and an already broken Ferdinand,were poor decisions, and it has left Moyes with a huge mess to sort out. You need a complete refit for me, and if you finish outside the top 4, as looks likely right now, that is going to have to be done on a much lower budget, and longer term.
The reason you are in the mess you are is Ferguson taking the short cut back to the top for his own personal reasons, not those of the club. He has left you with an average ageing squad and many of us are loving your demise.
Last edited by Danbert Nocurry; 02-01-2014 at 11:23 PM.
oddest post..
We have constantly evolved and won at the same time. The average age is superb..
Try and move on.. Liverpool got like City, unable to win without mentioning United...
Tlking of United's short sightedness is incredible from a 'win the title or get sacked club'..
Compare our average ages? You buy players at their peak, we buy them before and develop..
Apart from RVP who will play a few years yet we generaly buy 20-24 year olds if not younger, Mancini had a policy of only 24-28 year olds..
Last edited by IainR; 02-01-2014 at 11:25 PM.
I honestly believe Sergio's goal made Baconface completely consumed 'not in my lifetime' with reclaiming the title from us, that he became blinded to all other considerations and because of the power he wielded at that club he was allowed to do so without any consideration of the wider consequences of failing to rebuild as he had done so many times before. It had been apparent for some time, for example, that united's back four in particular was collectively reaching a tipping point due to nothing more than the sands of time doing their stuff.
When any Empire is built so intimately around one individual it creates the duel problem of no-one to question their bidding when they're there and no-one to adequately replace them when they're gone. Your succession planning has been truly appalling, another example of Baconface's malign influence on the club, to contrast, in fairness with all that he delivered over the previous 26 years.
The aura of invincibility that surrounded your club for a couple of decades has evaporated in the space of six months. The best example of this is referees,who previously, when making split second decisions would, more often than not, favour united due in no small part to the looming presence of Ferguson. Now, possibly harbouring subconscious feelings of resentment about being imposed upon by him, they seem to be going the opposite way. Once a bully loses its air of invincibility they don't tend to be treated too charitably by those who have suffered at their hands.
This really does have a decline of an Empire feel about it and the best thing is, like the decline of any other such body in human history, once those wheels start turning they are almost impossible to stop.
I accept you aren't going away, you're too big a club for that to present a realistic prospect, but your days lording it over the rest of English football are finished and there's a certain poetic beauty about the fact that process this was accelerated by Ferguson's overwhelming desire to go out a winner.
Last edited by Danbert Nocurry; 03-01-2014 at 09:41 AM.
A City fan lecturing anybody on succession planning. Seen it all now.
United have had 19 full time managers, City have had 34 with another 40 acting in a caretaker role.
Not to worry, Gollum will sort it out!
So.. let me get this right. You don't like Man U because the fans lorded it over you when they were winning.. like you are doing now.. yet its OK because they did it to you...Not to worry, Gollum will sort it out!
Danbert age 6 and a half years....
We'll be fine.. get your house in order first.. get some youth development, get some mancs in your team..
I'm quite enjoying this season, its football, we had a bad year in 2002, these things happen, but we'll take a long term view and be back..
Baconface has left you completely in the shit and Gollum just isn't good enough. Happy days Iain.
Here is a wonderful quote Danbert
"And influential Manchester United fanzine Red Issue has called on manager David Moyes to "sort out" players guilty of diving, citing examples by players Adnan Januzaj, Ashley Young, Danny Welbeck and Wayne Rooney."
Taken from the BBC
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/25587737
You keep saying this Danbert...Baconface has left you completely in the shit and Gollum just isn't good enough. Happy days Iain.
I went through our average ages.. comparatively we are far far healthier than City...
TBH though even if he sold all our best players then left I wouldn't have cared.. he brought up 13 titles, 2 champions leagues,... a treble, the class of 92, 20 years of continual success.. a healthy club.. a huge stadium.. 70,000 attendances...
When he came in we had 20+ years no title, an ageing team, an old stadium, a club hierarchy dominated by one corrupt family...
It is incomparable how healthy we are now..
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