Tonight's football thread

[Danbert Nocurry]

mistake by Moyes getting shot of Anderson, not as if Utd are blessed with cntr mid players...

If somebody had told United fans 10 years ago they'd be in decline, Fergie gone and City were the worlds richest club and spanking teams all over the shop they'd have laughed themselves silly.

[biara]

As much as it pains me to say it, I think Man City are in a class of their own at the moment. When they put it together (which they are starting to do more regularly) they are almost unreal.
Arsenal unless they get another centre forward will sooner or later drop points, Feb goes something like; Liverpool, Bayern Munich, Chelsea, Man U, Bayern!!!! I'm loving the ride but am a realist too.
Liverpool, shackle Suarez and potency decreases. Chelsea, looking secure again and much more solid, only team I realistically see holding Man City, Man U well I'll let IanR argue for them.
But saying that come on Cardiff, do the double this weekend......

[IainR]

As much as it pains me to say it, I think Man City are in a class of their own at the moment. When they put it together (which they are starting to do more regularly) they are almost unreal.
Arsenal unless they get another centre forward will sooner or later drop points, Feb goes something like; Liverpool, Bayern Munich, Chelsea, Man U, Bayern!!!! I'm loving the ride but am a realist too.
Liverpool, shackle Suarez and potency decreases. Chelsea, looking secure again and much more solid, only team I realistically see holding Man City, Man U well I'll let IanR argue for them.
But saying that come on Cardiff, do the double this weekend......

Anderson had to go.. he's not a Moyes player but as I understood its a loan move. He's annoying because he showed glimpses but just could not be trusted in the main spot.

I think City will win the league, if they don't its a disgrace.. they spent over 120 (100+ this and 20 last year) million was it on a team that won the league 12 months ago..

The Generals et al are poor. Toys out of the pram because we aren't winning for once... supporters like that should walk.. pick up a blue shirt...

[Danbert Nocurry]

I think City will win the league, if they don't its a disgrace.. they spent over 120 (100+ this and 20 last year) million was it on a team that won the league 12 months ago..
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Most United fans were perfectly content with the way football finances were organised after they'd carved it up to meet their own ends. Now the pieces on the board have moved, due in no small part to their naked avarice, it's "boo-hoo it's all so unfair".

[TheReverand]

Cabaye to Utd in January? Id be gutted like being a part time mag fan, he is top drawer and worth the admission alone at St James

[IainR]

Most United fans were perfectly content with the way football finances were organised after they'd carved it up to meet their own ends. Now the pieces on the board have moved, due in no small part to their naked avarice, it's "boo-hoo it's all so unfair".

Aye.. the old we make it we spend it model.. I think we've always had owners who come in and make.. has anyone bankrolled us? Edwards gained.. since then? No Edwards et al weren't great... but compared to your lot?

[IanDarkpeak]

Tough game tomorrow Iain, hope it doesn't spoil the weekend for you..

congratulation's by the way. good luck for the future.

[Danbert Nocurry]

Aye.. the old we make it we spend it model.. I think we've always had owners who come in and make.. has anyone bankrolled us? Edwards gained.. since then? No Edwards et al weren't great... but compared to your lot?

Iain In 1981 five clubs (you lot, Liverpool, Everton, Arsenal & Spurs) threatened to form a breakaway league unless the other clubs agreed to their proposal to stop sharing gate receipts and allow the home team to keep them all.

From that moment, the financial dynamic was changed in football and only Leeds managed to briefly break the stranglehold that these five clubs had on the league and that eventually bankrupted them.

In 1992, the same five clubs pushed for the formation of the Premier League and took the TV money (which had previously been shared with the lower divisions) all for themselves.

In the 32 years since 1981 only 4 teams outside that group of 5 have won the title, with only Chelsea winning it more than once so far. The "gang of 5" have won the title on 25 occasions. In the 30 years prior to 1981/2, something like 14 different teams won the league.

The system of revenue sharing prior to 1981 was designed to ensure a relatively level playing field financially. That's what happens in the NFL, NBA and MLB and no one dominates. Only Liverpool & Everton, with the wealth of the Moores family, had a little bit more money in those days. There was very little TV money and therefore not much prize money in those days so gate money was the main revenue stream. So taking money off the smaller clubs was inherently unfair as that tipped the balance financially. Those 5 clubs went on to dominate the landscape as they then had more money (and the clubs with the most money usually win more things) while the other clubs had less.

Put simply you can say what you want about our finances but at least we've not 'stolen' money off other clubs to get where we are.

[Stagger]

Iain In 1981 five clubs (you lot, Liverpool, Everton, Arsenal & Spurs) threatened to form a breakaway league unless the other clubs agreed to their proposal to stop sharing gate receipts and allow the home team to keep them all.

From that moment, the financial dynamic was changed in football and only Leeds managed to briefly break the stranglehold that these five clubs had on the league and that eventually bankrupted them.

In 1992, the same five clubs pushed for the formation of the Premier League and took the TV money (which had previously been shared with the lower divisions) all for themselves.

In the 32 years since 1981 only 4 teams outside that group of 5 have won the title, with only Chelsea winning it more than once so far. The "gang of 5" have won the title on 25 occasions. In the 30 years prior to 1981/2, something like 14 different teams won the league.

The system of revenue sharing prior to 1981 was designed to ensure a relatively level playing field financially. That's what happens in the NFL, NBA and MLB and no one dominates. Only Liverpool & Everton, with the wealth of the Moores family, had a little bit more money in those days. There was very little TV money and therefore not much prize money in those days so gate money was the main revenue stream. So taking money off the smaller clubs was inherently unfair as that tipped the balance financially. Those 5 clubs went on to dominate the landscape as they then had more money (and the clubs with the most money usually win more things) while the other clubs had less.

Put simply you can say what you want about our finances but at least we've not 'stolen' money off other clubs to get where we are.

Some great facts there Danbert, and by jove your right.
Bloody good post Sir.

[IainR]

Some great facts there Danbert, and by jove your right.
Bloody good post Sir.

Stagger... there's one issue.. correlation causation..

Everton did superbly.. and Spurs..

Yes football became established.. teams did. Legends grew. In the next 50 years do you seriously think many outside the top 6 will win?

Danbo of course will be OK with that now they are in the tent pissing out... but United, Liverpool, Arsenal, Spurs will remain.. the likes of chelsea, city will come and go.. no legend.. no name clubs.. 10 a penny... but the top 4 will remain.