Joss is still great. I've spent some excellent times with him when aiding & abetting JNC contenders. But even at his prime he was a pure (ultra) distance runner. I can't remember him figuring prominently in short races. Whereas Billy could win the long classics, short "up & downers" and that BG record has stood for 30 years without anyone getting within a hour - not to mention his & Gavin's BG walk.