Quote Originally Posted by Muddy Retriever View Post
Right I've walked away, come back and concluded my remarks were intelligent enough and that you had to resort to throwing insults around because you couldn't argue properly against them. What a pity.

You were the one that mentioned Everton's points tally over the previous 5-10 years being 60-65. Over ten years it was 57, - fact, sorry if that's inconvenient. Even over the last five years it was 59. So my point is that Martinez in achieving 72 has this season considerably overachieved for Everton while at the same time making them much more attractive to watch. In my opinion that makes him a worthy candidate for manager of the season. I'm surprised such an innocuous opinion inspires such a reaction from you.
Dont be so soft man...

I said most seasons.. thats not an average.. Moyes took over Everton were continually relegation battlers.. you basically took the average over his whole career at Everton..

yes Martinez has done well, with who's team? The one Moyes put together, Coleman, Baines,Jagielka, Howard, Osman, Distin.. Berkley..

And no, they actually arent that much more attractive to watch.. they scored something like 6 more goals.. over the last 2 years Everton had started playing better football, they did play better under martinez but not some collosal shift that is made out, its just people are taking what Myes did from day 1 as what he did his whole career..

He saved Everton.. He didnt do well at United but to suddenly right off Everton as a poor dross team saved by Martinez is grossly unfair.. despite what the everton fans make you believe..

He took a team who finished 6th and made them 5th... a position they have finished in the past.. Pulis took a team in for certain relegation and got them to mid table.. Poyet took a team looking almost certainly down and got them safe and took them to a cup final, Pelligrini won a a title and a cup... Rodgers took a team who had been 7th, didnt put in many new players and took them to the brink of the title... Bruce took Hull from the lower positions of the championship to safety when most thought they would struggle..

I wouldn't even put Martinez in the top 5 to be honest..

And no its not such a strong reaction I'm just saying your statistical comparisons are non-sensical. You compare like for like.. not a team who finished 5th with a team who were in relegation battles.. Early on Moyes had Everton up at 4th-6th but occassionally back down again, which was why it was so good Kenright stuck with him, but in the end Moyes consistently had them in the top 6... so yes over 5-10 years most seasons they were in those positions.. but the average would be dragged down by the variability early on when he tried to get them out of the bottom positions... do we have to go back to Modes and medians and means....