No Muddy.. I said most years they got X points.. not an average, because I knew that included Moyes' early years.. and I disagree, the last season under Moyes they scored almost as many goals as under Martinez, I think it was 6 less..

And thats not a statistical summary..

Danbert.. he relegated Wigan.. And the loan signings will now be an issue, they need to replace Lukaku

I think Martinez did a good job, but players like Stones have been key, and they were signed under Moyes.. that's why Everton are still here, Cahill, Jagielka, Coleman, Stones, Baines.. picking up players from smaller teams and developing youth, the youth angle would have been a big factor in getting the United job...

Look at Coleman, Moyes signed him from Sligo as a 21 year old... Martinez is getting all the credit for the team 90% astutely constructed by Moyes..