Steam Bunny Bluff

[alwaysinjured]

Stop making me blush Wheeze....

Anyway - accomodation booked, jazz gig tickets sold out-boo hoo....but I'm sure there will be some obscure free form band busking somewhere...

Nearer the time - give me a heads up if you need a hand on the Friday setting up or putting out dibber controls etc

likewise if anyone's around on the Sunday am and fancies a social run.

Nice one Manhar. Might see you there..

Anyway Mr Wheeze, are you reading your emails - I sent a couple to the b@o address in the last few days..

[TheMadRunner]

Wheeze, quick question. Is the route on your website to be strictly applied? I can see the section at the start/finish across private land will be a keep to the footpaths affair and the one or two places on route that cross private land but once onto the mountain are you free to choose?

[Wheeze]

The idea is that runners will keep to the Offas Dyke path till they get to Hay Bluff. After that it is a 'free' route choice but to be frank, there's little leeway for radical lines because of the checkpoint arrangement. Let me know if you spot something otherwise!

[biara]

If there are these limited rules, is this not very similar to the disclaimer that some people think is 'not worth anything'?

[alwaysinjured]

If there are these limited rules, is this not very similar to the disclaimer that some people think is 'not worth anything'?

Ian, happy to discuss that, but people seem to have little interest. So I will be brief: It is not "rules" that are the alternative to a "disclaimer" it is a "statement of risk" at the time of entry, and it is learned opinion that thinks that ( both from common law and in the light of 2008 legislation) leading to other sports advising not to use a disclaimer at all, where previously they recommended both were used.

The statement of risk is useful regardless of law anyway because perception of risk does help with greater caution / less complacency and that in turn makes things safer : ( FRA are just going to have to take qualified safety peoples word for that - there is always a first time for everything)

It is also clearly useful to put the main points of an agreement, including limitations on support, in the place people sign up for it, then nobody can dispute who was told what. But if runners obligations , undertakings and instructions are splattered across several documents, briefings, and notices, who can say?

[Wheeze]

If there are these limited rules, is this not very similar to the disclaimer that some people think is 'not worth anything'?

Biara, I don't care what 'some people' think, I only care that people doing my race understand what they have signed up to.

Selwyn wright put it perfectly when he said 'running up a hill should be the simplest thing'.
I strive for simplicity but recognise that to achieve that takes work!
That is why, although I am a reductionist at heart, and a contrarian (aren't all fell runners?), I accept where AI and fell hound are coming from and have embraced the tedious process of writing event management plans etc.
So, yes, the rules look limited and simple. But they are backed up by detailed planning and explanation. Full explanation of why I am doing this is in the ethos bit of the website.

[TheMadRunner]

Wheeze, there's really only one bit that my spidy senses are tingling about.... Will pass on any info after my recce on Saturday

[Wheeze]

Marshal volunteering/armtwisting going well! A merry band of old and new aquaintances have stumped up with promises of assistance. Welcome back to Doug 'Duracell' Adlam and Derek 'spit' Thornley. Has anyone heard sight or sound of Boy Wonder??? Gone very quiet in Bath!

[TheMadRunner]

Wheeze,
Been out for a full recce this morning (and some of the afternoon). 5 hours 4 minutes includes 10-15minutes stopped checking route etc.. Adusting for a few bits off route, checking stuff, I've got it at 23.5miles. It's not a bad little route and we had cracking weather for the views.

My route variation (out on the mountain not on the out and back section) was in the region of two minutes quicker. I ran it was Pat who ran the suggested route. Can't be totally accurate but we tried to maintain the same effort level.

Dave

[Wheeze]

Great stuff dave....thanks for this very useful info.
how long did it take you to get to grywne road crossing the first time?