Quote Originally Posted by Witton Park View Post
Perhaps that is because you are not interested as you've already indicated?

I can't speak for that particular programme, but the arguments put forward by Remain seem to be red herrings.
1. Security - NATO is the important organisation here and if anything the EU has jeopardised safety with its policy in Eastern Europe.
2. Trade and jobs - as I have previously indicated, there is a ready made WTO framework that we will move in to. If we do not secure a trade agreement with the EU on leaving, a framework is there and trade will continue.
3. Inward investment - The UK topped the tables for inward investment before joining the EEC in the early 70s and has continued to do so since the referendum was announced.
4. Environment - the UN is the primary vehicle for dealing such issues and the EU currently work with non-EU nations so it should not be affected.
5. Employment - the UK has adopted the Social Chapter. It is in UK law. It will remain in UK law when we leave the EU.

I do take your point though about the lack of cohesion in the leave campaign.

But examine the two sides.

Remain - the Government - with the full back up of the civil service are going to look more cohesive. They have a leader in Cameron and he has a bunch of loyal followers. Note though the Labour reluctance to stand alongside, probably as a result of their experience in the Scottish referendum and possibly due to some of the leaderships historical anti-EU stance.

Leave - lots of fragmented factions and pressure groups from opposite wings of politics. New to the table are the breakaway Tory ministers and MPs. They allowed Cameron time to negotiate and have only been let of the leash in the last couple of weeks.
I think the Tory element of Leave will co-ordinate over the coming weeks. Whether you like them or not, they have some experience and they also have some time.
They can come together with Labour people like Frank Field and Kate Hoey and hopefully present a more positive outlook, because I do believe there is one.

It seems to me that on the remain side you get coherant arguements - ie Bank of England, and all you hear on the out are the Tory Super Posh who just say it is all scare mongering