That's it hahaOriginally Posted by Wheeze
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That's it haha
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Is that at toothbrush moustache your dogs got?
Honest and flawed personal perspective inbound.
I think either vote would have resulted in a spike in visible racism, how much who knows. But either case would have prompted the knuckle draggers into action. Either through misguided moral licensing/frustration/taking the opportunity or whatever. What I don't believe has happened is people suddenly became more racist overnight, there's just been a window of opportunity where someone took the chance to leave labels saying "go home polish vermin".
Is one camp more racist than the other, nobody really knows because overwhelmingly people acknowledge it's immoral and would never publicly admit such a thing even if it was their position. And anybody claiming absolutely that one is more racist than the other is simply displaying prejudice at best. You'll never get an accurate poll with the question "So, are you a racist?" Even if it's dressed up into a more acceptable question.
Both sides are guilty of snide insults, and those insults continue to fly from both sides. Sometimes subtle, sometimes blatant. Sometimes using vile insults, sometimes less offensive derogatory language.
It's going to be a long time before both camps come back together on this subject, and at the minute (living in a highly pro EU community) it's hard to see the remain camp coming round to the idea that xenophobia wasn't a major driver in this. As is usual these days they've effectively closed themselves off into their social echo chambers and are only hearing the voices that confirms their beliefs. Part of the reason I'm here tbh, I don't agree with many on this thread, but if I don't listen I'll lose understanding of your viewpoint.
Nice quote at the end Sir.
Good honest piece by wheeze too in regards to the silent majority.
maybe I read this wrong but I don't think so. As you wrote - insults can be subtle or blatant. Yours falls into both camps. Not acceptable at all. Not at anytime have I insulted anyone, either blatant or subtle or by being sly. This is the reason most people do not stand up to be heard as there is always someone to try and put them in a box and be a bully. Don't worry though. I wont give my opinion on this thread again.
If anything better demonstrates just how ridiculous some 'democratic' results can be, you only have to look at Donald Trump becoming president in the US. A huge part of the post brexit fallout has been the brexiteers banging on about 'democracy has spoken'. The trouble is it is democracy led by a big chunk of people ignorant of the facts but certain in their views - I'm not saying ignorant in that they didn't understand the facts but ignorant that they didn't even want to know them. Yes I know the other brexit arguments on the economy (largely shot full of holes now though), parliamentary control and sovereignty and I agree those arguments were sensible and valid points of view. Not enough on their own to get brexit over the line though without the clincher which was racism and ignorance. Racism was the element that won the day for brexit in the same way that racism and sexism has won the day for Donald.
Everyone is getting too fixated on the individuals in the USA but that allows a classic sleight of hand.
Consider:
1. The Republicans were desperate to get back into power.
2. They were up against the PR dream of the First Female President.
3. To spike her guns they had to put up a cartoon chimpanzee who would be guaranteed to draw all the media attention by saying crazy things.
Consider: Game in play. They (the rank and file Republicans) distance themselves from the Chimp to avoid getting spattered with mud from the pig-wrestling contest thats going down.
Consider: End game. Chimp wins. Republicans now have regained power. Chimp down-tunes claims (although not completely yet).
The Mexico wall is as likely as Obamas promise that Guantanemo Bay would be closed within a year of him taking power. These are just puff-ball claims to win votes.
A- it was actually a compliment, however if the chasm between us is that great I shall save such compliments for Bawbag Noel and SBRT and his evil dog. Occasionally Harry and Teasel.
B- I never suggested you did anything of the sort which is why I stuck to "camps" neither of which are homogeneous blocks.
Just to be absolutely clear Sweeper, I like and appreciate your posts, please continue.
I've absolutely no idea what you're on about Wheeze. Rather than using Trump as a way back to power the Republicans right up to the vote were absolutely petrified that Trump would bomb and take them with him.
That though is nothing to do with brexit other than both us and the US have been screwed over by those with extreme right wing views holding the crucial deciding votes
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