I assume therefore that as the UK is still a full member of the EU it is included in ALL EU discussions including how hypothetically a member state wanting to leave would be handled.Originally Posted by shaunaneto
I assume therefore that as the UK is still a full member of the EU it is included in ALL EU discussions including how hypothetically a member state wanting to leave would be handled.
Once A50 is triggered I'm not 100% certain but I'd assume so. But realistically if Scotland does dig a trench along Hadrians wall the timeframe is unlikely to be shorter than the UKs exit.
Some reasonably well balanced opinion pieces I read indicated that Scotland would leave the EU with the UK, then leave the UK, then join the EU.
Worth remembering wee nippy has been bleating on about a 2nd referendum for a relatively long time now without actually calling it.
I'm really curious as to the results of the big conversation national survey which allegedly was intended to gather feedback on how to move towards independence. But it was deeply flawed as you needed to indicate how you voted in the referendum and give details such as name and address. And the few I spoke to that voted no refused to participate, if that behaviour is common all they've done is survey people that voted yes.
As a leave supporter in the EU referendum and seeing the full weight of project fear from the British Establishment I am a little more sympathetic to the SNP's economic case than I was in 2014. But isn't there just a teensy weensy flaw in Nicola Sturgeon's argument?
According to her if Britain leaves the single market it will be hugely damaging to the Scottish economy and cost lots of jobs. I would question that but ok I can see why some people would make the argument. But according to the Scottish Government's own figures, Scotland exports 64.4% to the rest of the UK, 20.2% to the rest of the world and only 15.4% to the EU. So how does becoming independent from the UK, joining the EU and thereby not being a member of the UK's single market make sense?
But didn't they already have a referendum and said pretty convincingly "we're not "****ing off? It was only just over two years ago.
Of course the Scots did vote even more convincingly that they wanted to stay in the EU, that has to be acknowledged. But as Nicola Sturgeon is finding out (if polls are to be believed!!) that is not the same as saying if the UK leaves the EU, the Scots will want to leave the UK. Perhaps they can see through Nicola Sturgeon's bluster and see the incredibly obvious contradiction in her position that I mentioned in my last post.
Yes but...But didn't they already have a referendum and said pretty convincingly "we're not "****ing off? It was only just over two years ago.
The equivalent for you would be a remain vote on the EU referendum then electing UKIP into government.
Not sure that's a good analogy. Hard to imagine many circumstances where UKIP would muster enough support to form a Government.
Anyway, let's look at this another way. Before the referendum there was some talk about the possibility of England voting leave (narrowly) but that the UK would vote remain overall because Scotland voted overwhelmingly to remain. I would have accepted that result (you'll have to take my word for it) because we are one United Kingdom.
That is the way I look at it. Scotland voted to remain in the UK knowing that Cameron had promised a referendum on the EU before the end of 2017. We made the decision on the EU as the United Kingdom.
Last edited by Muddy Retriever; 18-01-2017 at 10:30 PM.
Politicians have slightly longer memories than the public. All politicians are now very wary of referendums, so I can't see another one for Scotland for at least another 30 years.
To those Scots wanting to leave: "once in a generation"; you've had your chance.
Pretty much the same as those wanting another referendum on the UK staying in the EU.
Mrs May looked very tired yesterday, haunted almost. The last 6 months or so have taken it out of her. She said her piece though and I hope now we can make a clean break and start getting our house in order. Removing the red tape and laws - including the European human rights legislation - associated with the injustices some of us have read about over the decades.
Will it happen is it likely? It could but we've got too many people in this country that are the soul mates of the Brussels bureaucrats. Remember when we were told to stop selling in pounds and ounces? It wasn't meddlers in Brussels that congregated at local markets to confiscate greengrocers scales. It was overzealous Brits usually of Labour councils. That's what we're up against.
Even people on here. One of which considers a potential human rights bill drawn up by the British government as morally worse than a human rights act drawn up by European countries on the basis that the other European countries have a monopoly on morality. And that's before he's even seen what's in the British bill.
So it'll be a tough ask but the brexiteers mustn't stop at brexit. We've got to demand less/minimum government and more control over our own lives. If we don't then what's the point. We may as well have remained.
Last edited by CL; 18-01-2017 at 10:44 PM.
In fact, dwelling on things as I do, if Scotland were to become independent it would make more sense not to join the EU but given the importance of the UK market to it making a separate close FTA with the UK. After all it exports more than 4 times as much to the UK as the EU.
Most analogies are a bit naff tbh. The reality in Scotland is that there is a pro independence party in power. There's always going to be significant political manoeuvring on the matter.Not sure that's a good analogy. Hard to imagine many circumstances where UKIP would muster enough support to form a Government.
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