Brexit

[anthonykay]

He also supplies huge amounts of gas to the EU's biggest supporter. That's right Germany. Based on that and what you typed above you must now consider the EU a really, really bad idea?

No, that doesn't follow. Supplying gas to the EU doesn't mean he supports the EU; it means that he is happy to make money from the EU, as well as having valuable blackmail potential. Putin is far cleverer than you seem to give him credit for.

[Mossdog]

Pat Barry posturing as some adherent of human rights is ridiculous. On the gay marriage thread he took a stand against the conscious choice of an Irish bakers to refuse to bake a cake. And then when he was given an equivalent scenario he couldn't see that they were the same.


Thank goodness the Supreme court has seen the sense that Mr Barry can't.

Ok now this is getting too personal. I understand this topic stirs a lot of emotions, but personal ridicule of a fellow forumite's views in such a manner is not what I've come to expect from this forum. Please let's not descend into the nasty bitching, or indeed worse, found elsewhere on the net. Deep breaths?

[noel]

Well said, and two ex-team-mates at that. Stay friendly CL

[shaunaneto]

To vote, or not to vote that is the question!

Or maybe whack the fire alarm and call it off (again).

Place you’re (not real or financial) bets?

*although there are some impressively long odds available if your so inclined.

[noel]

I expect a rejection followed by a futile attempt by Labour to get a no-confidence vote. Followed by some confusion, followed by an extension of the deadline, then some really vague and underhandedly meaningless assurances after which Teresa May's plan will be narrowly voted through. Then the real fun will start.

[Graham Breeze]

I expect a rejection followed by a futile attempt by Labour to get a no-confidence vote. Followed by some confusion, followed by an extension of the deadline, then some really vague and underhandedly meaningless assurances after which Teresa May's plan will be narrowly voted through. Then the real fun will start.

Well that would pass for organised government in Italy, where they still manage to produce Bianchi bikes and Ferrari cars and Barolo wine and...

[DrPatrickBarry]

Very interesing comments. Those two paragraphs do sum up the situation.

Looking back, the British political system's utter failure to manage the Brexit process is striking. Unlike Ireland, the UK has very limited experience of referendums, and this lack of experience has shown. Ireland's written Constitution means that in advance of a referendum the precise legal consequences of it passing have to be spelled out.

In contrast in the UK, no detail on what form Brexit would take was given. Unbelievably, Theresa May, and a huge majority in the House of Commons, voted to trigger Article 50 knowing that it had a strict two-year time limit when the UK had yet to work out what it wanted out of the Brexit process.

https://www.independent.ie/opinion/c...-37712311.html

Ronan McCrea is Professor of Constitutional and European Law at University College London

[Witton Park]

In contrast in the UK, no detail on what form Brexit would take was given. Unbelievably, Theresa May, and a huge majority in the House of Commons, voted to trigger Article 50 knowing that it had a strict two-year time limit when the UK had yet to work out what it wanted out of the Brexit process.

https://www.independent.ie/opinion/c...-37712311.html

Ronan McCrea is Professor of Constitutional and European Law at University College London

That is the "spin" that a Remainer would put on it.

Everyone who voted Leave did so having listened to economic warnings. They expected a discussion on trade but there was an acceptance that we would leave under WTO terms if necessary.

The nub here is that the process has been managed by Mrs May and her advisors. They didn't vote to Leave, they have no positive vision for leave and have treated it like a damage limitati0on exercise.

I don't know anyone who voted Leave who would not accept a WTO departure. They might prefer an FTA, zero tariffs, mutual recognition ie the Davis plan, but if that cannot be sorted they would not opt for a BRINO.

I think everyone knows my position. But I would rather Remain than us sign the Withdrawal Agreement. It is that bad.

The vote will probably only have around 200-250 for tonight. Almost 200 of those will be on the Govt payroll. I think that says it all.

This WA has united ERG and People's vote, leavers and remainers. It is appalling.

[DrPatrickBarry]

That is the "spin" that a Remainer would put on it.

I have never head of Professor McCrea before, is he a remainer?

[Muddy Retriever]

is he a remainer?

He wrote:

"They are right that the decision to vote Leave was misguided."

He certainly isn't a Leaver.